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One of the many reasons "they" assassinated Kennedy. Stuff like this is public, yet many still adamantly refuse to believe false flags occur (in general, not ev

One of the many reasons "they" assassinated Kennedy. Stuff like this is public, yet many still adamantly refuse to believe false flags occur (in general, not even any particular suspected false flag event).

1337biz 7y ago
It is about time to find a new term describing Conspiracy theories that are true. Once a conspiracy, always a conspiracy. It's so convenient.
14 7y ago
All these comments make me think of the deepfakes and wonder how long until they are so good even forensics can not tell the difference and the implications that will have.
- wheelerwj 7y ago
  we're so fucked.
- godelski 7y ago
  Why does it have to beat forensics? Does it matter if we find out something is a false flag after the fact? I mean how many people still think the US Government created AIDS? Even after the Russians admitted it was a disinformation campaign started by them? [0] [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/us/politics/russian-disinformation-aids-fake-news.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/us/politics/russian-disin...
diminoten 7y ago
No, sorry. No secret organization assassinated Kennedy. These operations are documents, that are easy to write up in fantasy land. The fact that they're proposed doesn't mean false flags occur, it just means the concept is understood by people who work in the government. Stop pretending like there's this secret organization or set of organizations that's pulling the strings or setting global agenda on any relevant level. There isn't. Everything is chaos, no one knows what the fuck is going on at any given time, and nobody is in control. Period.
- MegaButts 7y ago
  > No secret organization assassinated Kennedy. I really enjoyed this book, and found it very convincing. I don't want to start a thread where we argue over conspiracy theories but just thought I'd add the link if you're interested. https://www.amazon.com/Devils-Chessboard-Dulles-Americas-Government-ebook/dp/B00SFZB93Y https://www.amazon.com/Devils-Chessboard-Dulles-Americas-Gov...
  - diminoten 7y ago
    I'm generally not interested, considering I know that logic and reason are not generally great models for the world without falsifiability and predictability, and neither are abundant in conspiracy "theories".
    - hanniabu 7y ago
      Sounds like the only thing that would convince you is the government speaking out and saying they've been doing this, but I think it's obvious that would never happen. We should all only believe what the government fesses up to, they'd obviously tell us if they were doing any wrongdoing. /s
      - diminoten 7y ago
        No, that's simply you trying to re-create the classic lines of this argument. You need there to be someone in control, it's the only way you stay sane, and it bothers you to no end that there simply isn't. It's the same argument religion gives, but I doubt you fall for that one, do you? Kind of funny, how inconsistent you are.
        jddj 7y ago
        Your assumption here is that the other commenter is projecting some kind of perfect planning, coordination, foresight and execution onto these agencies. But they can be doing evil things which are in their interest without it being some situation of perfect control. It's simply that: evil shit they hope they can get away with, which if successful will probably be in their interests. Throughout history, this has been the norm for any group with power but without sufficient oversight.

1337biz 7y ago

It is about time to find a new term describing Conspiracy theories that are true. Once a conspiracy, always a conspiracy. It's so convenient.

14 7y ago

All these comments make me think of the deepfakes and wonder how long until they are so good even forensics can not tell the difference and the implications that will have.

wheelerwj 7y ago
we're so fucked.
godelski 7y ago
Why does it have to beat forensics? Does it matter if we find out something is a false flag after the fact? I mean how many people still think the US Government created AIDS? Even after the Russians admitted it was a disinformation campaign started by them? [0] [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/us/politics/russian-disinformation-aids-fake-news.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/us/politics/russian-disin...

diminoten 7y ago

No, sorry. No secret organization assassinated Kennedy. These operations are documents, that are easy to write up in fantasy land. The fact that they're proposed doesn't mean false flags occur, it just means the concept is understood by people who work in the government. Stop pretending like there's this secret organization or set of organizations that's pulling the strings or setting global agenda on any relevant level. There isn't. Everything is chaos, no one knows what the fuck is going on at any given time, and nobody is in control. Period.

MegaButts 7y ago
> No secret organization assassinated Kennedy. I really enjoyed this book, and found it very convincing. I don't want to start a thread where we argue over conspiracy theories but just thought I'd add the link if you're interested. https://www.amazon.com/Devils-Chessboard-Dulles-Americas-Government-ebook/dp/B00SFZB93Y https://www.amazon.com/Devils-Chessboard-Dulles-Americas-Gov...
- diminoten 7y ago
  I'm generally not interested, considering I know that logic and reason are not generally great models for the world without falsifiability and predictability, and neither are abundant in conspiracy "theories".
  - hanniabu 7y ago
    Sounds like the only thing that would convince you is the government speaking out and saying they've been doing this, but I think it's obvious that would never happen. We should all only believe what the government fesses up to, they'd obviously tell us if they were doing any wrongdoing. /s
    - diminoten 7y ago
      No, that's simply you trying to re-create the classic lines of this argument. You need there to be someone in control, it's the only way you stay sane, and it bothers you to no end that there simply isn't. It's the same argument religion gives, but I doubt you fall for that one, do you? Kind of funny, how inconsistent you are.
      - jddj 7y ago
        Your assumption here is that the other commenter is projecting some kind of perfect planning, coordination, foresight and execution onto these agencies. But they can be doing evil things which are in their interest without it being some situation of perfect control. It's simply that: evil shit they hope they can get away with, which if successful will probably be in their interests. Throughout history, this has been the norm for any group with power but without sufficient oversight.