I did also find the ecosystem to be not-so-mature a few years ago. Compared to something like Rails or various Java collections of tools it feels like things a

I did also find the ecosystem to be not-so-mature a few years ago. Compared to something like Rails or various Java collections of tools it feels like things are less available or simply a poorly-made Clojure veneer over and underlying Java tool. Ecosystem takes a while. (Yes, I was using both JDBC and Ring as well as other things like Leiningen. Core.async was a notable exception as something done better in Clojure than elsewhere)