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Do you have more details than an unverified Genius annotation?

paggle 7y ago
Are you dense? These are actual David Bowie lyrics. Do you need to hear him say them? He was not the only rock musician to rape Sable Starr before she was 14 but he was the only one to brag about it on record. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8i2NetVBzIc https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8i2NetVBzIc
paggle 7y ago
Well, I have my answer. A lot of child rape apologists here. Go party with Jeffrey Epstein.
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sverige 7y ago
Not OP, but this mentions Iggy Pop and Sable Starr. [0] Iggy and Bowie were close. This behavior is not exactly unknown. Not sure why the comments have been flagged and killed. [0] https://www.feministcurrent.com/2016/01/13/here-is-a-list-of-men-who-made-great-but-music-were-not-always-great-people/ https://www.feministcurrent.com/2016/01/13/here-is-a-list-of...
kgwgk 7y ago
More details about what? https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/01/13/sable-starr/ https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/01/13/sable-starr/ The Star magazine referenced in that piece is available at http://star1973.com http://star1973.com
- mieseratte 7y ago
  Not sure why it’s dead, or at least the root comment. The others throwing ad hominems I get. Thanks for the great article. Sad to say I’ve read Legs’ book, and now recall Starr but never realized she was that young. Now I’m also wondering how Iggy hasn’t gotten more heat.
  - paggle 7y ago
    Don’t wonder... your answer is right here in front of you. Child rape apologists and defenders in every direction you look.
    - paggle 7y ago
      I’d bet you half of them react with envy rather than disgust when hearing stories like this.
      - cthalupa 7y ago
        I think it's more complicated than that, at least from what I've seen. There's a lot of people that have made significant contributions to art, science, culture, etc., while being awful people, and we have a hard time reconciling that. No one would argue that we shouldn't use any of the science advanced by Einstein, yet he manipulated and cheated on his first wife while trying to totally control her, down to giving her a list of demands she had to follow through with every day. Lots of people have beat their wives. Lots of musicians - and certainly not limited to rock musicians - have raped young teens. Do we stop listening to the music of anyone that's turned out to be a shitty human being? Do we ever forgive them if they modify their behavior? How do we reconcile our like or love of one aspect of a person with their heinous acts? What's the moral thing to do here? These are tough questions to answer. So it's easy to chalk this news up as 'Man those decades were just crazy! Sex, drugs, rock and roll! The girls obviously wanted it - they set out to do it!' and not think about the hard shit while still justifying to themselves why they continue to listen to the music and support the artist. It's hard. I've thought a lot and haven't been able to answer those questions, beyond coming up with a compromise for myself - I'll keep listening to the music, but I won't do anything to support an artist further if I learn of behavior like this. No concerts, no merch, etc. It's not perfect and I'm still contributing to their finances when I stream a song on spotify or whatever, but it's one that works for me. I do hope that it's this sort of thing that leads to the defense of the behavior, and not them actually being envious.
        paggle 7y ago

Are you dense? These are actual David Bowie lyrics. Do you need to hear him say them? He was not the only rock musician to rape Sable Starr before she was 14 but he was the only one to brag about it on record. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8i2NetVBzIc https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8i2NetVBzIc

paggle 7y ago

Well, I have my answer. A lot of child rape apologists here. Go party with Jeffrey Epstein.

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sverige 7y ago

Not OP, but this mentions Iggy Pop and Sable Starr. [0] Iggy and Bowie were close. This behavior is not exactly unknown. Not sure why the comments have been flagged and killed. [0] https://www.feministcurrent.com/2016/01/13/here-is-a-list-of-men-who-made-great-but-music-were-not-always-great-people/ https://www.feministcurrent.com/2016/01/13/here-is-a-list-of...

kgwgk 7y ago

More details about what? https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/01/13/sable-starr/ https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/01/13/sable-starr/ The Star magazine referenced in that piece is available at http://star1973.com http://star1973.com

mieseratte 7y ago
Not sure why it’s dead, or at least the root comment. The others throwing ad hominems I get. Thanks for the great article. Sad to say I’ve read Legs’ book, and now recall Starr but never realized she was that young. Now I’m also wondering how Iggy hasn’t gotten more heat.
- paggle 7y ago
  Don’t wonder... your answer is right here in front of you. Child rape apologists and defenders in every direction you look.
  - paggle 7y ago
    I’d bet you half of them react with envy rather than disgust when hearing stories like this.
    - cthalupa 7y ago
      I think it's more complicated than that, at least from what I've seen. There's a lot of people that have made significant contributions to art, science, culture, etc., while being awful people, and we have a hard time reconciling that. No one would argue that we shouldn't use any of the science advanced by Einstein, yet he manipulated and cheated on his first wife while trying to totally control her, down to giving her a list of demands she had to follow through with every day. Lots of people have beat their wives. Lots of musicians - and certainly not limited to rock musicians - have raped young teens. Do we stop listening to the music of anyone that's turned out to be a shitty human being? Do we ever forgive them if they modify their behavior? How do we reconcile our like or love of one aspect of a person with their heinous acts? What's the moral thing to do here? These are tough questions to answer. So it's easy to chalk this news up as 'Man those decades were just crazy! Sex, drugs, rock and roll! The girls obviously wanted it - they set out to do it!' and not think about the hard shit while still justifying to themselves why they continue to listen to the music and support the artist. It's hard. I've thought a lot and haven't been able to answer those questions, beyond coming up with a compromise for myself - I'll keep listening to the music, but I won't do anything to support an artist further if I learn of behavior like this. No concerts, no merch, etc. It's not perfect and I'm still contributing to their finances when I stream a song on spotify or whatever, but it's one that works for me. I do hope that it's this sort of thing that leads to the defense of the behavior, and not them actually being envious.
      - paggle 7y ago