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what madness. if you're born on the wrong side of an imaginary line and make your way across...and just try to exist...someone can hold you in a cage forever.

what madness. if you're born on the wrong side of an imaginary line and make your way across...and just try to exist...someone can hold you in a cage forever. it's insane how many people think this is okay.

makomk 7y ago
Even being born on the right side of the line is not enough in this case, even if you can prove it - India does not have birthright citizenship like the US. Also, people have apparently been declared non-citizens without even being given the chance to prove otherwise - including an Army veteran employed by their own border force: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-48523963 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-48523963 In reality, India seems to be holding people in cages forever simply for being members of the wrong racial group, nothing more or less.
AdrianB1 7y ago
My college colleague who crossed the border illegally from her country in Europe (she was a citizen) to the neighboring country in Europe was shot to death. I think she would have preferred some prison time instead. Laws are laws, some are insane, but most people agree that obeying laws is good and enforcing laws is good.
rayiner 7y ago
It’s not an “imaginary line.” It’s the line between different political entities—different democratic polities. Who is allowed to be on which side of the line determines who gets a say in your shared governance. The borders in the region between Bangladesh, India, and Pakistan reflect real and meaningful divisions between groups of people who don’t want to be lashed together in the same polity and exercised their right to self determination to sever ties with each other. That is, of course, not a defense of the specific measures India is undertaking. But to deny India’s right to police it’s border is to deny Indians’ their self determination. (And I say that as a Bangladeshi. If the shoe were on the other foot, Bangladesh would react no differently.)
yumraj 7y ago
Name one country, at least one which is doing well economically better than its neighbors, which has open borders and anyone is allowed to go there and gets citizenship just by entering there.
- tim333 7y ago
  Quite a few of those in Europe. Germany - Poland/Romania etc for example. Generally you have to live a place about a decade to get citizenship though.

makomk 7y ago

Even being born on the right side of the line is not enough in this case, even if you can prove it - India does not have birthright citizenship like the US. Also, people have apparently been declared non-citizens without even being given the chance to prove otherwise - including an Army veteran employed by their own border force: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-48523963 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-48523963 In reality, India seems to be holding people in cages forever simply for being members of the wrong racial group, nothing more or less.

AdrianB1 7y ago

My college colleague who crossed the border illegally from her country in Europe (she was a citizen) to the neighboring country in Europe was shot to death. I think she would have preferred some prison time instead. Laws are laws, some are insane, but most people agree that obeying laws is good and enforcing laws is good.

rayiner 7y ago

It’s not an “imaginary line.” It’s the line between different political entities—different democratic polities. Who is allowed to be on which side of the line determines who gets a say in your shared governance. The borders in the region between Bangladesh, India, and Pakistan reflect real and meaningful divisions between groups of people who don’t want to be lashed together in the same polity and exercised their right to self determination to sever ties with each other. That is, of course, not a defense of the specific measures India is undertaking. But to deny India’s right to police it’s border is to deny Indians’ their self determination. (And I say that as a Bangladeshi. If the shoe were on the other foot, Bangladesh would react no differently.)

yumraj 7y ago

Name one country, at least one which is doing well economically better than its neighbors, which has open borders and anyone is allowed to go there and gets citizenship just by entering there.

tim333 7y ago
Quite a few of those in Europe. Germany - Poland/Romania etc for example. Generally you have to live a place about a decade to get citizenship though.