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Thank you for the viewpoint. It certainly has merit, but there is also the possibility of "metapackages" like luminus [1], a curated package of libraries that w

Thank you for the viewpoint. It certainly has merit, but there is also the possibility of "metapackages" like luminus [1], a curated package of libraries that work well together. It's easier to make a framework in the land of libraries than vice versa. Some of what you perceive as immature may be that the community is small, and a lot remains to be done. [1] http://www.luminusweb.net/ http://www.luminusweb.net/

Kalium 7y ago
You're absolutely right, it's easier to make a framework in the land of libraries. With that said, it may be more difficult to get one used when the culture of library-land abhors frameworks. The Clojure developers I've worked with so far mostly seem repulsed by the idea of using a framework. This leads me to fear that the ecosystem is likely to remain in the hole it has dug for itself. Possibility is wonderful, as you say, but it is unlikely to save applications being written today.
- sooheon 7y ago
  > repulsed by the idea of using a framework I think this is one of the memes in the community which is starting to be reconsidered. You're not alone in seeing these downsides, and people are starting to write about it more (code and words). Things like Fulcro or even Datomic Cloud are very interesting developments in this regard. [1]: https://jacobobryant.com/post/2019/grow/ https://jacobobryant.com/post/2019/grow/ [2]: http://flyingmachinestudios.com/programming/why-programmers-need-frameworks/ http://flyingmachinestudios.com/programming/why-programmers-... [3]: https://github.com/fulcrologic/fulcro https://github.com/fulcrologic/fulcro