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You know, I don't think that Apple deliberately sat down and decided to create an anti-FSF platform. I think they sat down and tried to create a platform that

You know, I don't think that Apple deliberately sat down and decided to create an anti-FSF platform. I think they sat down and tried to create a platform that would be commercially viable, but wouldn't descend into anarchy, e.g. would stay 'family friendly'. In order to ensure that, they need to maintain control. But hey, a bunch of control freaks picked a system that would maximise their control... news at 11 everyone. Funnily enough, the GPL is also a walled garden environment. You can tell that they'd really prefer to have a system where everything (in their system) was GPLed. Please note the distinction here, they're not saying that everyone should or has to GPL their software, they're saying that if you bring your toys to their sandpit, you have to share... and they don't care what happens in that other sandpit, everyone else can go hang. If you don't like it, go play in the other sandpit where no one shares. Therefore I am of the opinion that it is perilously close to hypocrisy for GPL fans to complain about walled gardens. The old saying about people who live in glass houses applies here I think.

rbanffy 16y ago
> Funnily enough, the GPL is also a walled garden environment That's quite a stretched definition of walled garden. GPL is easy: We believe consumers have rights. If you want to use software we write as parts of yours, we forbid you to disrespect those rights. Simple as that. Yes - their rights are more important than yours. It's not about the kids playing in the sandpit. It has always been about the kids that use - and have to rely on - the toys the kids in the sandpit make. You really don't get it, do you?
- Stormbringer 16y ago
  Whereas your definition is enormously abstract. I do get it. Just because I don't share your sad devotion to that ancient religion doesn't mean I don't understand it. I think you need to go do some research. There was a good bio on RMS that came out ~10 years ago, you should go read it.
  - rbanffy 16y ago
    Why does RMS's bio have anything to this discussion? I am talking about the rights of users to be independent from the programmers who write the code they use, not the beliefs of someone who happens to agree with me on some subjects (and disagree on others) I think your, to use some of the language you so cleverly brought up, sad misunderstanding of the dynamics at play pretty much demonstrates you don't enjoy a solid grasp of what is involved here and the consequences of licenses like the GPL.
    - Stormbringer 16y ago
      Whoosh You really don't get it.

rbanffy 16y ago

> Funnily enough, the GPL is also a walled garden environment That's quite a stretched definition of walled garden. GPL is easy: We believe consumers have rights. If you want to use software we write as parts of yours, we forbid you to disrespect those rights. Simple as that. Yes - their rights are more important than yours. It's not about the kids playing in the sandpit. It has always been about the kids that use - and have to rely on - the toys the kids in the sandpit make. You really don't get it, do you?

Stormbringer 16y ago
Whereas your definition is enormously abstract. I do get it. Just because I don't share your sad devotion to that ancient religion doesn't mean I don't understand it. I think you need to go do some research. There was a good bio on RMS that came out ~10 years ago, you should go read it.
- rbanffy 16y ago
  Why does RMS's bio have anything to this discussion? I am talking about the rights of users to be independent from the programmers who write the code they use, not the beliefs of someone who happens to agree with me on some subjects (and disagree on others) I think your, to use some of the language you so cleverly brought up, sad misunderstanding of the dynamics at play pretty much demonstrates you don't enjoy a solid grasp of what is involved here and the consequences of licenses like the GPL.
  - Stormbringer 16y ago
    Whoosh You really don't get it.