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Who uses sms for anything but authenticating WhatsApp/signal/telegram? No need to wait for carriers just try making something people want to use. I'm caught u

Who uses sms for anything but authenticating WhatsApp/signal/telegram? No need to wait for carriers just try making something people want to use. I'm caught up on rcs, I suppose it's an improvement over sms, but what isn't? It's not an improvement over email, or what's app or signal.

izacus 7y ago
> Who uses sms for anything but authenticating WhatsApp/signal/telegram? According to any kind of statistics - 100s of millions of people on the world. Yes, still. Please do look outside the bubble.
thekyle 7y ago
I do. The only thing I hate more than unencrypted messages is vendor lock in. There is no way I'm going to willingly lock my self into some companies chat ecosystem if there is a widely adopted federated alternative. It's the same reason that I'll never switch from email to slack.
- Spivak 7y ago
  Or... you could just lock yourself into the top few chat ecosystems that your friends, coworkers, etc. use and be relatively safe because the tide comes in quick for consumer chat systems that people don’t like using. Right now I have iMessage, Snapchat, SMS, Messenger, GroupMe, Email, Discord and Slack along with a bunch of apps with chat as a feature. I have been caused no harm whatsoever by this setup except that my SO has a way to fill my notification screen when they’re feeling obnoxious.
  - otabdeveloper2 7y ago
    You're forced to run 8 chat apps where just 1 would work better, all of them with their respective security, privacy and battery-destroying performance problems. How is that possibly not "harm"??
creato 7y ago
> Who uses sms for anything but authenticating WhatsApp/signal/telegram? The irony is thick here. "Who uses the open, standard protocol for anything but authenticating proprietary, locked-in services competing on network effects?" The whole point is to make it so the standard thing that everyone has by default doesn't suck as much, so we don't need to make messaging service decisions based on network effects and lock-in.
- Spivak 7y ago
  I mean SMS isn’t immune to this at all since it’s just ‘the protocol controlled by your carrier.’ It’s no more open in practice than any consumer messaging app. SMS has a strong network effect thanks to carriers wanting to charge you per message but basically nothing else going for it.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    Most people in Europe have flat rate SMSs.
otabdeveloper2 7y ago
> Who uses sms for anything but authenticating WhatsApp/signal/telegram? I do.

izacus 7y ago

> Who uses sms for anything but authenticating WhatsApp/signal/telegram? According to any kind of statistics - 100s of millions of people on the world. Yes, still. Please do look outside the bubble.

thekyle 7y ago

I do. The only thing I hate more than unencrypted messages is vendor lock in. There is no way I'm going to willingly lock my self into some companies chat ecosystem if there is a widely adopted federated alternative. It's the same reason that I'll never switch from email to slack.

Spivak 7y ago
Or... you could just lock yourself into the top few chat ecosystems that your friends, coworkers, etc. use and be relatively safe because the tide comes in quick for consumer chat systems that people don’t like using. Right now I have iMessage, Snapchat, SMS, Messenger, GroupMe, Email, Discord and Slack along with a bunch of apps with chat as a feature. I have been caused no harm whatsoever by this setup except that my SO has a way to fill my notification screen when they’re feeling obnoxious.
- otabdeveloper2 7y ago
  You're forced to run 8 chat apps where just 1 would work better, all of them with their respective security, privacy and battery-destroying performance problems. How is that possibly not "harm"??

creato 7y ago

> Who uses sms for anything but authenticating WhatsApp/signal/telegram? The irony is thick here. "Who uses the open, standard protocol for anything but authenticating proprietary, locked-in services competing on network effects?" The whole point is to make it so the standard thing that everyone has by default doesn't suck as much, so we don't need to make messaging service decisions based on network effects and lock-in.

Spivak 7y ago
I mean SMS isn’t immune to this at all since it’s just ‘the protocol controlled by your carrier.’ It’s no more open in practice than any consumer messaging app. SMS has a strong network effect thanks to carriers wanting to charge you per message but basically nothing else going for it.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Most people in Europe have flat rate SMSs.

otabdeveloper2 7y ago

> Who uses sms for anything but authenticating WhatsApp/signal/telegram? I do.