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About bloody time! Apple don't keep their scripting languages updated. For example, macOS Mojave 10.14.6 ships with perl 5, version 18, subversion 4 (v5.18.4)

About bloody time! Apple don't keep their scripting languages updated. For example, macOS Mojave 10.14.6 ships with perl 5, version 18, subversion 4 (v5.18.4) in /usr/bin/perl; but my homebrew setup provides perl 5, version 30, subversion 0 (v5.30.0). (And for those who don't know perl, it's been semi-permanently pinned at "perl 5" as a major version number for about 20 years due to the existence of perl 6, which is effectively a different language—as different as C++ is from C—so those minor version number differences are as significant as a major version number change in another language.)

crocbuzz 7y ago
To be fair, Mojave comes pre-installed with the latest release of Python and PHP.
- tazard 7y ago
  Mine came with python 2.7 and php 7.1 not exactly the latest releases.
  - hanniabu 7y ago
    Python 2 is the real python /s
- lkhhj 7y ago
  why the fuck does mac os x come with php?!
ohmybrew 7y ago
Do you use Perl a lot? I haven't used it extensively since probably 2004.
- hpcjoe 7y ago
  I use it daily. Have done so since early 90s.
  - PieUser 7y ago
    you're old
    - hpcjoe 7y ago
      I prefer using the term experienced.
weberc2 7y ago
Whoa, I’ve been using Mac for almost a decade and I never knew it shipped with perl!
- ingve 7y ago
  It was even used in some unexpected places, for example, see the HN discussion about "Apple's libc shells out to Perl to implement wordexp" [0], [1] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9025572 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9025572 [1] https://github.com/Apple-FOSS-Mirror/Libc/blob/2ca2ae74647714acfc18674c3114b1a5d3325d7d/gen/wordexp.c#L192 https://github.com/Apple-FOSS-Mirror/Libc/blob/2ca2ae7464771...
- snazz 7y ago
  Most Unix systems do. Apple just does a terrible job of keeping scripting runtimes up to date.
  - selectodude 7y ago
    Everything seems to be frozen in time at just before a project changed to GPL 3
hpcjoe 7y ago
I generally set up my own toolchain, with up to date versions of Perl 5, Python, Julia, R, Octave. I've found the system distro installed tooling to be too ancient for productive use. While this doesn't bother me much per se, the issue I see as looming is what I've experienced on a few platforms. Where their "protection" mechanisms effectively prevent you from building the code you need to function effectively. I usually test each (new) platform by taking my code and trying to build it. If the platform is important to what I do, I'll spend some time making sure it builds correctly, and passes regression testing. WSL in Windows 10, albeit running on a kvm on my linux laptop, does not pass muster as a system worth targeting for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is that the environment breaks the regression testing. My concern is that MacOS gets to that point. Its getting close, as I have to specifically allow perl/python/julia/jupyter to open ports. I suspect that soon MacOS will disable this capability. I already run Linux everywhere, MacOS is just what the corporate folks indicate is an acceptable alternative to Windows 10, which doesn't work for me. Once MacOS doesn't work, it will be far easier to argue for corporate issued Linux laptops. Alienating DevOps, developers, hpc/ai folks ... not really a good idea. But hey, Apple does Apple, so why not. [Edited for grammar]

crocbuzz 7y ago

To be fair, Mojave comes pre-installed with the latest release of Python and PHP.

tazard 7y ago
Mine came with python 2.7 and php 7.1 not exactly the latest releases.
- hanniabu 7y ago
  Python 2 is the real python /s
lkhhj 7y ago
why the fuck does mac os x come with php?!

ohmybrew 7y ago

Do you use Perl a lot? I haven't used it extensively since probably 2004.

hpcjoe 7y ago
I use it daily. Have done so since early 90s.
- PieUser 7y ago
  you're old
  - hpcjoe 7y ago
    I prefer using the term experienced.

weberc2 7y ago

Whoa, I’ve been using Mac for almost a decade and I never knew it shipped with perl!

ingve 7y ago
It was even used in some unexpected places, for example, see the HN discussion about "Apple's libc shells out to Perl to implement wordexp" [0], [1] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9025572 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9025572 [1] https://github.com/Apple-FOSS-Mirror/Libc/blob/2ca2ae74647714acfc18674c3114b1a5d3325d7d/gen/wordexp.c#L192 https://github.com/Apple-FOSS-Mirror/Libc/blob/2ca2ae7464771...
snazz 7y ago
Most Unix systems do. Apple just does a terrible job of keeping scripting runtimes up to date.
- selectodude 7y ago
  Everything seems to be frozen in time at just before a project changed to GPL 3

hpcjoe 7y ago

I generally set up my own toolchain, with up to date versions of Perl 5, Python, Julia, R, Octave. I've found the system distro installed tooling to be too ancient for productive use. While this doesn't bother me much per se, the issue I see as looming is what I've experienced on a few platforms. Where their "protection" mechanisms effectively prevent you from building the code you need to function effectively. I usually test each (new) platform by taking my code and trying to build it. If the platform is important to what I do, I'll spend some time making sure it builds correctly, and passes regression testing. WSL in Windows 10, albeit running on a kvm on my linux laptop, does not pass muster as a system worth targeting for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is that the environment breaks the regression testing. My concern is that MacOS gets to that point. Its getting close, as I have to specifically allow perl/python/julia/jupyter to open ports. I suspect that soon MacOS will disable this capability. I already run Linux everywhere, MacOS is just what the corporate folks indicate is an acceptable alternative to Windows 10, which doesn't work for me. Once MacOS doesn't work, it will be far easier to argue for corporate issued Linux laptops. Alienating DevOps, developers, hpc/ai folks ... not really a good idea. But hey, Apple does Apple, so why not. [Edited for grammar]