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Collected data can be used later - for example, the school or teachers can sell face models to advertisers, shopping mall owners, data brokers, Facebook, Google

Collected data can be used later - for example, the school or teachers can sell face models to advertisers, shopping mall owners, data brokers, Facebook, Google etc. So it is a right decision to shut down such a dubious project. The school could simply use RFiD cards for tracking attendance.

Zenst 7y ago
Which results in the same dataset. Same with mobile phones. But that's ok as long as you obfuscate the data too give the illusion of privacy. So You could have a tracking on a map of a dot moving, but as soon as you associate that dot with a person in the same dataset - that causes dramalama. But you can have that dot associated with a person in a separate dataset held by somebody else and skirt around the fact that the same dataset is held, albeit obfuscated at a remedial level that placates the technothuds.
- smooc 7y ago
  No it doesn't. In no way an RFID token is equal to biometrical information. I can throw away the token, choose not to have it on me etc. The dataset you are talking about is not just in/out but is a lot more comprehensive than that.
  - Zenst 7y ago
    SOrry if my point was not clear enough. I did not say RFID or a mobile phone is biometric information! I was saying that such datasets can be matched up to another dataset that holds individual information and as long as those datasets are seperated in the right way, you can skirt around this whole area and still have the same problem. But people seem happy to allow that.
sokoloff 7y ago
My friend can use my RFID card too. Why not use a fingerprint reader if automation is needed, or just place trust in the teacher to not cheat and give them a web page or app to enter absences? Attendance is a safety thing (or viewed that way). If my 8 year old unexpectedly doesn’t show up to school, I would like to find that out at 8:30 rather than 15:00.
- Faark 7y ago
  > My friend can use my RFID card too. Yes, just like you and your friend can do a lot of other cheating in school. And the mechanism used to prevent that is severe punishments once caught by a teacher. I don't see much difficulty in spotting an empty desk that should be occupied according to today's automatically generated seating chart. On another note, I feel like I'd be more okay with facial recognition and other biometrics in the form of you going to a scanner and initiating a scan. But certainly not surveillance with recognition built on top. Article doesn't seem to specify what they used, though the image chosen implies surveillance.
lkhhj 7y ago
rfid cards? I can just give mine to a mate and have him check in for me
zaroth 7y ago
> The school could simply use RFiD cards for tracking attendance. They actually studied this as well as the facial recognition system. Two different classrooms over an 8 week period. The biggest problem they found with the RFID system; > During the first week of testing (week 41) 38% of pupils didn’t bring their tag at each lesson, while in the second week of testing (week 42) 47% forgot it. [1] [1] - http://pages.tieto.com/rs/517-ITT-285/images/SummaryFutureClassroom.pdf http://pages.tieto.com/rs/517-ITT-285/images/SummaryFutureCl...

Zenst 7y ago

Which results in the same dataset. Same with mobile phones. But that's ok as long as you obfuscate the data too give the illusion of privacy. So You could have a tracking on a map of a dot moving, but as soon as you associate that dot with a person in the same dataset - that causes dramalama. But you can have that dot associated with a person in a separate dataset held by somebody else and skirt around the fact that the same dataset is held, albeit obfuscated at a remedial level that placates the technothuds.

smooc 7y ago
No it doesn't. In no way an RFID token is equal to biometrical information. I can throw away the token, choose not to have it on me etc. The dataset you are talking about is not just in/out but is a lot more comprehensive than that.
- Zenst 7y ago
  SOrry if my point was not clear enough. I did not say RFID or a mobile phone is biometric information! I was saying that such datasets can be matched up to another dataset that holds individual information and as long as those datasets are seperated in the right way, you can skirt around this whole area and still have the same problem. But people seem happy to allow that.

sokoloff 7y ago

My friend can use my RFID card too. Why not use a fingerprint reader if automation is needed, or just place trust in the teacher to not cheat and give them a web page or app to enter absences? Attendance is a safety thing (or viewed that way). If my 8 year old unexpectedly doesn’t show up to school, I would like to find that out at 8:30 rather than 15:00.

Faark 7y ago
> My friend can use my RFID card too. Yes, just like you and your friend can do a lot of other cheating in school. And the mechanism used to prevent that is severe punishments once caught by a teacher. I don't see much difficulty in spotting an empty desk that should be occupied according to today's automatically generated seating chart. On another note, I feel like I'd be more okay with facial recognition and other biometrics in the form of you going to a scanner and initiating a scan. But certainly not surveillance with recognition built on top. Article doesn't seem to specify what they used, though the image chosen implies surveillance.

lkhhj 7y ago

rfid cards? I can just give mine to a mate and have him check in for me

zaroth 7y ago

> The school could simply use RFiD cards for tracking attendance. They actually studied this as well as the facial recognition system. Two different classrooms over an 8 week period. The biggest problem they found with the RFID system; > During the first week of testing (week 41) 38% of pupils didn’t bring their tag at each lesson, while in the second week of testing (week 42) 47% forgot it. [1] [1] - http://pages.tieto.com/rs/517-ITT-285/images/SummaryFutureClassroom.pdf http://pages.tieto.com/rs/517-ITT-285/images/SummaryFutureCl...