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> Indeed, how dare they spend their own free time doing things you find obnoxious? That's not the obnoxious part. The obnoxious part is where their vulnerable

by roca 7y ago

> Indeed, how dare they spend their own free time doing things you find obnoxious? That's not the obnoxious part. The obnoxious part is where their vulnerable software gets deployed and subverted to harm to third parties. > They also seem to not be willing to blindly accept your judgement I certainly wouldn't ask anyone to blindly accept anyone else's judgement. The evidence is in.

dmitrygr 7y ago
Okay. Don't use their software. Unless somebody is making you? You are entirely free to write your own versions in whatever language you want. Speaking the way you do, though, you just sound like an ingrate. Take a moment to thank all those people writing that software you use, instead of telling them that they are being obnoxious.
- roca 7y ago
  When someone writes a buggy C library and someone deploys that library in some set of devices, which are compromised and used as part of a botnet that DDoSes my site, I'm hurt through no choice that I made. When I buy something from a shop and their database gets hacked via some bug and my data is extracted, I'm hurt even though I had minimal control over the situation. Vulnerable software is a negative externality, like air pollution.
  - dmitrygr 7y ago
    You are free to not buy any product or use any service that uses code not written in the language of your choice.
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      Great, does the programming language now comes listed on the box, just besides the EULA?
    - perl4ever 7y ago
      1. You're directly replying to someone who pointed out that not choosing a product with vulnerable code doesn't protect you. 2. When it comes to your own choices, information about what language is used by every facet of a product/service isn't usually available. 3. Even when information is available, most people don't and won't choose stuff based on language anyway, which means if you do care, you can't expect a viable alternative to be produced by the market. So the standard libertarian advice is inapplicable in a triply redundant manner.

by roca 7y ago

dmitrygr 7y ago

Okay. Don't use their software. Unless somebody is making you? You are entirely free to write your own versions in whatever language you want. Speaking the way you do, though, you just sound like an ingrate. Take a moment to thank all those people writing that software you use, instead of telling them that they are being obnoxious.

roca 7y ago
When someone writes a buggy C library and someone deploys that library in some set of devices, which are compromised and used as part of a botnet that DDoSes my site, I'm hurt through no choice that I made. When I buy something from a shop and their database gets hacked via some bug and my data is extracted, I'm hurt even though I had minimal control over the situation. Vulnerable software is a negative externality, like air pollution.
- dmitrygr 7y ago
  You are free to not buy any product or use any service that uses code not written in the language of your choice.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    Great, does the programming language now comes listed on the box, just besides the EULA?
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    1. You're directly replying to someone who pointed out that not choosing a product with vulnerable code doesn't protect you. 2. When it comes to your own choices, information about what language is used by every facet of a product/service isn't usually available. 3. Even when information is available, most people don't and won't choose stuff based on language anyway, which means if you do care, you can't expect a viable alternative to be produced by the market. So the standard libertarian advice is inapplicable in a triply redundant manner.