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16 points by templaedhel 16y ago

TeMPOraL 16y ago
Sad there's no mention about Org Mode. It's awesome :).
- templaedhel 16y ago
  I will get right on it. I am always looking for new apps, both for feature inspiration for coffeelists, and just to use.
  - TeMPOraL 16y ago
    I was recently struggling whether commit my new TODO list to WorkFlowy and OrgMode, and I made a small comparison: Org Mode + You get full editing power of Emacs + Lots and lots of features (custom TODOs, calendars, hyperlinks, generating documents, ...) that are hidden and doesn't distract people who are not aware of them. + It IS actively developed all the time :). - Not really portable - requires Emacs for nice look&feel, although .org files are just text files, so one MIGHT be able to work with them. WorkFlowy + Webapp, so it's extremely portable. + Web-based, so it's always synchronized :). + Ability to zoom-in on a selected part of your list is much better done than the Org-Mode one (at least the "C-x n s" I know about). - Bad editing shortcuts and lack of general text editing capabilities I'm used to (ie. CTRL+arrows doesn't move around text by jumping words). I finally chose Org Mode (don't need to synchronize that list, and I do need the editing powers), but I also have a lot of stuff on WorkFlowy that I need to have synchronized between work, home, and whereever I go.
    - edmccaffrey 16y ago
      Stick your org-mode files in Dropbox and it syncs well. You can run Emacs from a flash drive, and Andriod and iOS devices have basic versions that sync multiple ways.
- seltzered 16y ago
  I'm currently trying to setup mobileorg + dropbox to sync with my windows machines and my iphone, and I've never used emacs (although I can grok vim). I'll try to post a writeup when I finish it. I'm coming to try mobileorg after not liking things/omnifocus being too mac-oriented, hating onenote for being too windows-oriented (yes, I attempted to use it for todo), and not liking remember the milk for charging the same price as flickr. Google tasks isn't bad, but I disliked it's webapp-style popup in gmail, nor the widget-style apps it has. The canvas thing looks interesting though. For basic todo list stuff I realized need something that can be easily made to support a different OS/platform, and work natively (i.e. no webapps).
  - TeMPOraL 16y ago
    OneNote is a good piece of software, IMO. I keep majority of my notes there (but I started using it long before I ever saw Emacs or heard about Org Mode). I was thinking about migration, but some of my notes consist of drawings and images pasted between text - I have no idea how to move something like that to Org Mode, or make such notes there in the future.
    - seltzered 16y ago
      I agree. My problem is that I'm unfairly hellbent on any notes/task management stuff being cross-platform, or having an open format. I wanted to make onenote a central place for notes, drawings, etc. But I stopped once office 2011 arrived for mac WITHOUT onenote support. This is usually where one suggests evernote as a viable alternative, but I feel like they butchered much of the UI in the latest version, namely the fact that tagging is way less intuitive in the latest versions.
DenisM 16y ago
Google Tasks has a big interface: https://mail.google.com/tasks/canvas https://mail.google.com/tasks/canvas which you can also pull into separate window to make an "app".
f7u12 16y ago
I personally use Toodledo [http://www.toodledo.com/ http://www.toodledo.com/]
- yaxdotcom 16y ago
  I too use Toodledo, on the iPad and web. I have even used it collaboratively to track tasks with my virtual assistant. It's got complexity (you can organize tasks by folders, goals, priorities, status, and more) but if you're not overwhelmed with all the options, you can use it for simple list making. It feels very much like a personal effort by a single developer. It runs well though the interface is pretty much lists and boxes, not design art.
adaml_623 16y ago
You forgot http://www.toomanylists.com http://www.toomanylists.com. Oh wait... That's cause I haven't finished it yet :-D
- adaml_623 16y ago
  Probably be my November App for 2011 as well as 2010
michaelbuckbee 16y ago
Listable works really well for iPhone + web users and syncing across multiple accounts.
mattstech 16y ago
Been a pretty big fan of Things for a while. I have one database that sits on Dropbox and automatically syncs between two Macs. Would like to see better mobile syncing (would rather have desktop database replace what's on an iOS device instead of merging the two). All in all, though, it's a great app with a polished interface.
thewordpainter 16y ago
it's amazing how many project management tools allow you to rate your priorities...but what does that really accomplish when you end up with 90% high priorities? you need to go a step further to differentiate the priorities. that's where listing (AKA ranking) can really come in handy. we actually took a hard look at leveraging our ranking software from http://gorankem.com http://gorankem.com towards a PM play...but the space is just too saturated. one of the existing players needs to add a feature to prioritize within the (high) priorities anybody know of a PM tool that may do the job?
notsosmart 16y ago
Wunderlist is actually available for both Mac & Windows now.
fr0sty 16y ago
Contrary to the article http://rememberthemilk.com http://rememberthemilk.com does support multiple lists (I currently have a dozen or so). I've been trying RTM for a few weeks and my biggest cons are: 1. the mobile clients are hobbled. The wife and I Use the android and iOS apps and constantly feel like common things are difficult and uncommon things are impossible. You cannot creat a new list from the app, for instance. 2. Poor support for batch operations. This is especially true on the mobile app. The only batch operation is "complete/uncomplete". The two big Pros: 1. There is an iOS and an android client 2. There is support for sharing lists between accounts.

16 points by templaedhel 16y ago

TeMPOraL 16y ago

Sad there's no mention about Org Mode. It's awesome :).

templaedhel 16y ago
I will get right on it. I am always looking for new apps, both for feature inspiration for coffeelists, and just to use.
- TeMPOraL 16y ago
  I was recently struggling whether commit my new TODO list to WorkFlowy and OrgMode, and I made a small comparison: Org Mode + You get full editing power of Emacs + Lots and lots of features (custom TODOs, calendars, hyperlinks, generating documents, ...) that are hidden and doesn't distract people who are not aware of them. + It IS actively developed all the time :). - Not really portable - requires Emacs for nice look&feel, although .org files are just text files, so one MIGHT be able to work with them. WorkFlowy + Webapp, so it's extremely portable. + Web-based, so it's always synchronized :). + Ability to zoom-in on a selected part of your list is much better done than the Org-Mode one (at least the "C-x n s" I know about). - Bad editing shortcuts and lack of general text editing capabilities I'm used to (ie. CTRL+arrows doesn't move around text by jumping words). I finally chose Org Mode (don't need to synchronize that list, and I do need the editing powers), but I also have a lot of stuff on WorkFlowy that I need to have synchronized between work, home, and whereever I go.
  - edmccaffrey 16y ago
    Stick your org-mode files in Dropbox and it syncs well. You can run Emacs from a flash drive, and Andriod and iOS devices have basic versions that sync multiple ways.
seltzered 16y ago
I'm currently trying to setup mobileorg + dropbox to sync with my windows machines and my iphone, and I've never used emacs (although I can grok vim). I'll try to post a writeup when I finish it. I'm coming to try mobileorg after not liking things/omnifocus being too mac-oriented, hating onenote for being too windows-oriented (yes, I attempted to use it for todo), and not liking remember the milk for charging the same price as flickr. Google tasks isn't bad, but I disliked it's webapp-style popup in gmail, nor the widget-style apps it has. The canvas thing looks interesting though. For basic todo list stuff I realized need something that can be easily made to support a different OS/platform, and work natively (i.e. no webapps).
- TeMPOraL 16y ago
  OneNote is a good piece of software, IMO. I keep majority of my notes there (but I started using it long before I ever saw Emacs or heard about Org Mode). I was thinking about migration, but some of my notes consist of drawings and images pasted between text - I have no idea how to move something like that to Org Mode, or make such notes there in the future.
  - seltzered 16y ago
    I agree. My problem is that I'm unfairly hellbent on any notes/task management stuff being cross-platform, or having an open format. I wanted to make onenote a central place for notes, drawings, etc. But I stopped once office 2011 arrived for mac WITHOUT onenote support. This is usually where one suggests evernote as a viable alternative, but I feel like they butchered much of the UI in the latest version, namely the fact that tagging is way less intuitive in the latest versions.

DenisM 16y ago

Google Tasks has a big interface: https://mail.google.com/tasks/canvas https://mail.google.com/tasks/canvas which you can also pull into separate window to make an "app".

f7u12 16y ago

I personally use Toodledo [http://www.toodledo.com/ http://www.toodledo.com/]

yaxdotcom 16y ago
I too use Toodledo, on the iPad and web. I have even used it collaboratively to track tasks with my virtual assistant. It's got complexity (you can organize tasks by folders, goals, priorities, status, and more) but if you're not overwhelmed with all the options, you can use it for simple list making. It feels very much like a personal effort by a single developer. It runs well though the interface is pretty much lists and boxes, not design art.

adaml_623 16y ago

You forgot http://www.toomanylists.com http://www.toomanylists.com. Oh wait... That's cause I haven't finished it yet :-D

adaml_623 16y ago
Probably be my November App for 2011 as well as 2010

michaelbuckbee 16y ago

Listable works really well for iPhone + web users and syncing across multiple accounts.

mattstech 16y ago

Been a pretty big fan of Things for a while. I have one database that sits on Dropbox and automatically syncs between two Macs. Would like to see better mobile syncing (would rather have desktop database replace what's on an iOS device instead of merging the two). All in all, though, it's a great app with a polished interface.

thewordpainter 16y ago

it's amazing how many project management tools allow you to rate your priorities...but what does that really accomplish when you end up with 90% high priorities? you need to go a step further to differentiate the priorities. that's where listing (AKA ranking) can really come in handy. we actually took a hard look at leveraging our ranking software from http://gorankem.com http://gorankem.com towards a PM play...but the space is just too saturated. one of the existing players needs to add a feature to prioritize within the (high) priorities anybody know of a PM tool that may do the job?

notsosmart 16y ago

Wunderlist is actually available for both Mac & Windows now.

fr0sty 16y ago

Contrary to the article http://rememberthemilk.com http://rememberthemilk.com does support multiple lists (I currently have a dozen or so). I've been trying RTM for a few weeks and my biggest cons are: 1. the mobile clients are hobbled. The wife and I Use the android and iOS apps and constantly feel like common things are difficult and uncommon things are impossible. You cannot creat a new list from the app, for instance. 2. Poor support for batch operations. This is especially true on the mobile app. The only batch operation is "complete/uncomplete". The two big Pros: 1. There is an iOS and an android client 2. There is support for sharing lists between accounts.