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> when someone or someones come along and attempt to abridge your rights Isn't that what highly trained and professional law enforcement is for? At least that

> when someone or someones come along and attempt to abridge your rights Isn't that what highly trained and professional law enforcement is for? At least that's what they're for in my part of the world.

mieseratte 7y ago
> Isn't that what highly trained and professional law enforcement is for? That works fine and well until the police are the ones kicking in your door to drag you away. Fortunately for us all, that's not a thing that ever happens. Since it clearly needs said, the 2A is not about day-to-day life. It's about large-scale societal failure modes.
jakeogh 7y ago
Are you going to ask the attacker to pause and wait 5+ minutes?
kazinator 7y ago
That's what they are for if they are in the right place at the right time. In a situation in which you have to shoot someone to save yourself, it's implicitly understood that the law enforcement won't be there for at least another 15 minutes. Also, who will call them? You may have to shoot your opponent first, just to be able to call the police. At least in the leg or something, if killing makes you squeamish.
erik_seaberg 7y ago
No. They might never show up, and you can't even sue them for negligence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia Every adult should have the means to protect who they care about.
DuskStar 7y ago
> Isn't that what highly trained and professional law enforcement is for? > At least that's what they're for in my part of the world. I really wish the Jewish populations of Warsaw had known this. If only they had called on the professional law enforcement to help them! And then the Tutsi made the same mistake in Rwanda 50 years later - shouldn't people have learned by then? Point is, sometimes it's the "professional law enforcement" that's coming to kick your face in, and asking them to defend you doesn't work so well. And even when they aren't the ones doing the kicking, their priorities might not match yours - as Koreatown found in the LA riots.

mieseratte 7y ago

> Isn't that what highly trained and professional law enforcement is for? That works fine and well until the police are the ones kicking in your door to drag you away. Fortunately for us all, that's not a thing that ever happens. Since it clearly needs said, the 2A is not about day-to-day life. It's about large-scale societal failure modes.

jakeogh 7y ago

Are you going to ask the attacker to pause and wait 5+ minutes?

kazinator 7y ago

That's what they are for if they are in the right place at the right time. In a situation in which you have to shoot someone to save yourself, it's implicitly understood that the law enforcement won't be there for at least another 15 minutes. Also, who will call them? You may have to shoot your opponent first, just to be able to call the police. At least in the leg or something, if killing makes you squeamish.

erik_seaberg 7y ago

No. They might never show up, and you can't even sue them for negligence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia Every adult should have the means to protect who they care about.

DuskStar 7y ago

> Isn't that what highly trained and professional law enforcement is for? > At least that's what they're for in my part of the world. I really wish the Jewish populations of Warsaw had known this. If only they had called on the professional law enforcement to help them! And then the Tutsi made the same mistake in Rwanda 50 years later - shouldn't people have learned by then? Point is, sometimes it's the "professional law enforcement" that's coming to kick your face in, and asking them to defend you doesn't work so well. And even when they aren't the ones doing the kicking, their priorities might not match yours - as Koreatown found in the LA riots.