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Makes sense. But how do we address it? It’s not like we can stop the media from reporting on such things. Perhaps the show could have been rated for adults only

by pm90 7y ago

Makes sense. But how do we address it? It’s not like we can stop the media from reporting on such things. Perhaps the show could have been rated for adults only? It seems like teens today do face challenges that weren’t faced by my generation or the ones before that. Social media, internet enabled always on devices seem to have changed the experience of being a teenager. Perhaps there are deeper issues at stake that need addressing?

aaomidi 7y ago
Back when hollywood was facing censorship they realized they need to self censor or stats like this will be used against them. This is an example of where Netflix acted without thinking what impacts a show like this will have. Nothing exists in a vacuum, and this was on Netflix to resolve. The first step in this case would be to take it down from Netflix. Or they're going to face people calling for it to be taken down through the state.
- scarface74 7y ago
  You mean the same "state" that blames "violent video games" for mass violence ignoring the centuries of lynching in the US?
  - aaomidi 7y ago
    I never said the state is an always good or always bad entity. It's there to respond to people, and sometimes make its own shit up because of money. I'm just explaining the system we have right now and how netflix is playing with fire.
rhcom2 7y ago
There are ways to report on suicide responsibly that are supported by evidence[1]. I think we need similar guidelines for mass shootings. [1] http://reportingonsuicide.org/ http://reportingonsuicide.org/
dpkonofa 7y ago
>It’s not like we can stop the media from reporting on such things. Sure you can. Stop watching it. Tell your friends to stop watching it and why. The media nowadays is all about going over the top and sensationalizing things because that's what gets the eyeballs on the screens and that's where the advertisements get them money. Hurt their wallets and they'll stop.
- avgDev 7y ago
  This will never work IMO. Media has done the work, the work is based on science. Some people are turned off by current news media but they know more eye balls will tune in if it is over the top. These companies are exploiting human nature. We cannot hurt their wallets because generally people don't care. Maybe eventually humans will change. However, once they notice different trends they will adopt. They don't care either, they just maximizing profits. It is simple really.
  - dpkonofa 7y ago
    This is exactly my point. The only way this will change is when it's profitable to do the right thing.
- pixelbath 7y ago
  Ok, I didn't watch it. I described it as "some teen drama series glorifying a girl who commits suicide" whenever the show was mentioned. I advised my kids (who are nearly adult age) that they shouldn't even bother with it (they didn't watch it). Did it work? There is far too much momentum behind mass-market media for this nearly passive resistance to be effective. Things like "'13 Reasons Why' linked to 29% increase in in teen suicides 1 month later" have far more impact and are more effective. Public outrage seems to work, for better or worse.
  - dpkonofa 7y ago
    >this nearly passive resistance to be effective My entire point is to be active about the resistance. Don't just stop using something. Tell others to stop using and say why. Cease any and all contact with that media channel. The only way this works is when the right thing to do also happens to be the profitable thing to do.
sjg007 7y ago
I don't think we really understand the root causes of suicide and we don't have mechanisms for intervention outside of an actual saved suicide attempt. I don't think we have support mechanisms in society. Also society itself has become more divisive and less kind. I think we need to become a kinder society. Access to firearms is also a problem because it makes the initial attempt much more likely to succeed. High school kids need to know that it gets better, there are more options in life than academic success and going to the "right" school. We should also remove the future burden of student loans.

by pm90 7y ago

aaomidi 7y ago

Back when hollywood was facing censorship they realized they need to self censor or stats like this will be used against them. This is an example of where Netflix acted without thinking what impacts a show like this will have. Nothing exists in a vacuum, and this was on Netflix to resolve. The first step in this case would be to take it down from Netflix. Or they're going to face people calling for it to be taken down through the state.

scarface74 7y ago
You mean the same "state" that blames "violent video games" for mass violence ignoring the centuries of lynching in the US?
- aaomidi 7y ago
  I never said the state is an always good or always bad entity. It's there to respond to people, and sometimes make its own shit up because of money. I'm just explaining the system we have right now and how netflix is playing with fire.

rhcom2 7y ago

There are ways to report on suicide responsibly that are supported by evidence[1]. I think we need similar guidelines for mass shootings. [1] http://reportingonsuicide.org/ http://reportingonsuicide.org/

dpkonofa 7y ago

>It’s not like we can stop the media from reporting on such things. Sure you can. Stop watching it. Tell your friends to stop watching it and why. The media nowadays is all about going over the top and sensationalizing things because that's what gets the eyeballs on the screens and that's where the advertisements get them money. Hurt their wallets and they'll stop.

avgDev 7y ago
This will never work IMO. Media has done the work, the work is based on science. Some people are turned off by current news media but they know more eye balls will tune in if it is over the top. These companies are exploiting human nature. We cannot hurt their wallets because generally people don't care. Maybe eventually humans will change. However, once they notice different trends they will adopt. They don't care either, they just maximizing profits. It is simple really.
- dpkonofa 7y ago
  This is exactly my point. The only way this will change is when it's profitable to do the right thing.
pixelbath 7y ago
Ok, I didn't watch it. I described it as "some teen drama series glorifying a girl who commits suicide" whenever the show was mentioned. I advised my kids (who are nearly adult age) that they shouldn't even bother with it (they didn't watch it). Did it work? There is far too much momentum behind mass-market media for this nearly passive resistance to be effective. Things like "'13 Reasons Why' linked to 29% increase in in teen suicides 1 month later" have far more impact and are more effective. Public outrage seems to work, for better or worse.
- dpkonofa 7y ago
  >this nearly passive resistance to be effective My entire point is to be active about the resistance. Don't just stop using something. Tell others to stop using and say why. Cease any and all contact with that media channel. The only way this works is when the right thing to do also happens to be the profitable thing to do.

sjg007 7y ago

I don't think we really understand the root causes of suicide and we don't have mechanisms for intervention outside of an actual saved suicide attempt. I don't think we have support mechanisms in society. Also society itself has become more divisive and less kind. I think we need to become a kinder society. Access to firearms is also a problem because it makes the initial attempt much more likely to succeed. High school kids need to know that it gets better, there are more options in life than academic success and going to the "right" school. We should also remove the future burden of student loans.