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"When researchers analyzed the data by sex, they found the increase in the suicide rate was primarily driven by significant increases in suicide in young males.
by pgrote 7y ago
"When researchers analyzed the data by sex, they found the increase in the suicide rate was primarily driven by significant increases in suicide in young males. While suicide rates for females increased after the show’s release, the increase was not statistically significant."
I have watched the series. I wonder why males saw a significant increase in suicides if the show revolved around a female suicide. And, yes, I understand they didn't find direct causation.
There explanation at the end was refreshing.
"While compelling, this research had several limitations. For example, the study used a quasi-experimental design, meaning that the researchers cannot make a causal link between the release of “13 Reasons Why” and the observed changes in suicide rates. The researchers cannot, therefore, rule out the possibility that unmeasured events or factors influenced suicide rates during this period."
- Mikeb85 7y agoMales commit suicide more, in general (in western countries). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide Edit - as for why there were more male suicides linked to this show, one reason for male suicides in western countries is the increasing marginalisation of men (whereas in countries with more female suicides or a more equal ratio, women are highly marginalised). If the show glorifies suicide as a way to gain more attention and de-marginalise the individual, it makes sense that more young men would do it.
- ousta 7y agobe careful don't state facts like this here. that might trigger some Californians.
- adrianN 7y agoMen are more successful, but women try more often.
- Mikeb85 7y ago'Try'.
- sdinsn 7y agoAs in they attempt suicide more often, but have lower rates of success.
- Mikeb85 7y agoI'm implying that some of the attempts may be half-hearted. The US has more than 1 gun for every person in the country. The fact anyone survives a suicide attempt means that perhaps they didn't really want to die?
- sdinsn 7y agoWomen are much less likely to own guns.
- Mikeb85 7y agoAre they less likely to live in households where there are guns? Men are what, 10x more successful in suicide attempts? It's quite the discrepancy.
- sdinsn 7y agoMale gun ownership is 62% while female is 22%. Male suicide rate is somewhere between 3 to 5 times higher than female suicide rate in the US. Globally, males are ~2x more likely. Note that women are also ~20% more likely to see health professionals.
- scarmig 7y agoEven in the UK, where guns are a rare instrument of suicide, men kill themselves 3-4x as often as women.
- mieseratte 7y ago> Men are more successful, but women try more often. What's the source behind that, particularly how do they count "try," e.g. is it self-reported or based on emergency services dispatched? Does something like sitting in your closet with a 12GA in your mouth for 30 minutes only to emerge unscathed, to never speak of it again count as a try?
- adrianN 7y agoThe Wikipedia article linked above: > Although females attempt suicide at a higher rate, they are more likely to use methods that are less immediately lethal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide#Differing_methods_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide#...
- mieseratte 7y agoI'm asking about methodology as relates to the statistic, not for the sentence in a Wiki.
- adrianN 7y agoThen perhaps check out the references the Wikipedia gives?
- scarmig 7y agoIf you take the statistics at face value, men are literally 10x more effective at committing suicide. Attempting suicide has very different meanings for men and women. All too often the "but women try more!" is a what-about-the-womens attempt to distract from a very real, distinctly male problem.
- jammygit 7y agoCitation? It seems likely that men are less likely to talk about it afterwards too, which might be complicating
- lallysingh 7y agoIIRC males tend to be more successful in their attempts. So the women may have tried more but not successfully enough to tip the scales.
- viklove 7y agoYes, and sometimes individuals "attempt" suicide not actually to end their own lives, but just as a call for attention or help. One thing can be sure though: the ones shooting themselves aren't in this camp.
- ummonk 7y agoIt’s possible that young females were just as affected (proportional to their baseline suicide rate), but that this wasn’t enough to be statistically significant, since young males commit suicide 5x as often. The article mentions that female suicide rates were higher too but that this wasn’t statistically significant.
- pjc50 7y agoSimply mentioning it seems to trigger a rise.
- probably_wrong 7y ago> I wonder why males saw a significant increase in suicides if the show revolved around a female suicide. As someone who didn't watch the series: perhaps the story is male-oriented, even if the character is a woman? As an example: imagine that you take the movie John Wick, redo the movie shot-by-shot and line-by-line with a woman replacing Keanu Reeves, and call it "Jean Wick". I bet it would still appeal to the exact same demographic.
- cameronbrown 7y agoActors aren't fungible units - if you change an actor, especially to another gender, you're changing the character's body language and facial expressions at a minimum.