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> this is an ad, right? It's not advertising some other product/service, it's simply asking to be cited when used in publications. And it can be silenced by r

> this is an ad, right? It's not advertising some other product/service, it's simply asking to be cited when used in publications. And it can be silenced by running one command...

eesmith 7y ago
You agree that it's an ad, right? (And it's asking for a voluntary donation of 10000 EUR as an alternative, so certainly money is involved.) Is the GNU parallel ad okay, but other ads are not? If so, what makes something a "good" ad? Or a "tasteful" one? If this isn't an advertisement, what should I call it should I wish to put something similar in my code?
- bureaucrat 7y ago
  Telling people to cite their work, which is way different.
  - eesmith 7y ago
    Cite their work or give 10 000 EUR to the project. The last makes it an advertisement. If it isn't an advertisement, what it is? A public service announcement?
    - bureaucrat 7y ago
      Pretty much, yeah, because it’s a joke. You get jokes, right? If you do a work that needs strict citations and not cite properly, your project itself could be at stake. No one will pay 10,000EUR to be questioned by the ethics board about their work.
      - eesmith 7y ago
        Is it an advertisement? Yes, or no? If not, what is it? (Lots of advertisements contain/are jokes.) And -- hah! You know how many papers there are which used software X, Y, and Z, all with cite-able references, and where the authors did NOT cite the software? I mean, last year I was at a conference, talking to a vendor, who complained about academics, using their software under an academic license which clearly requires that the vendor be cited for any publications, who omit citing their work. I have never heard of any scientific project which got in trouble for omitting a reference for an non-scientific software component like GNU parallel - and I can't think of any which have gotten into trouble for omitting a reference to a scientific software component they use. At best it would be described as an oversight, and if the journal really is that strict (can you point to one?), resolved with a correction. It's certainly not a threat to the project. But, let's suppose it is an issue. Shouldn't more software components be doing this?
paulddraper 7y ago
Requesting funding is an advert.

> this is an ad, right? It's not advertising some other product/service, it's simply asking to be cited when used in publications. And it can be silenced by running one command...

eesmith 7y ago

You agree that it's an ad, right? (And it's asking for a voluntary donation of 10000 EUR as an alternative, so certainly money is involved.) Is the GNU parallel ad okay, but other ads are not? If so, what makes something a "good" ad? Or a "tasteful" one? If this isn't an advertisement, what should I call it should I wish to put something similar in my code?

bureaucrat 7y ago
Telling people to cite their work, which is way different.
- eesmith 7y ago
  Cite their work or give 10 000 EUR to the project. The last makes it an advertisement. If it isn't an advertisement, what it is? A public service announcement?
  - bureaucrat 7y ago
    Pretty much, yeah, because it’s a joke. You get jokes, right? If you do a work that needs strict citations and not cite properly, your project itself could be at stake. No one will pay 10,000EUR to be questioned by the ethics board about their work.
    - eesmith 7y ago
      Is it an advertisement? Yes, or no? If not, what is it? (Lots of advertisements contain/are jokes.) And -- hah! You know how many papers there are which used software X, Y, and Z, all with cite-able references, and where the authors did NOT cite the software? I mean, last year I was at a conference, talking to a vendor, who complained about academics, using their software under an academic license which clearly requires that the vendor be cited for any publications, who omit citing their work. I have never heard of any scientific project which got in trouble for omitting a reference for an non-scientific software component like GNU parallel - and I can't think of any which have gotten into trouble for omitting a reference to a scientific software component they use. At best it would be described as an oversight, and if the journal really is that strict (can you point to one?), resolved with a correction. It's certainly not a threat to the project. But, let's suppose it is an issue. Shouldn't more software components be doing this?

paulddraper 7y ago

Requesting funding is an advert.