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> The 737 MAX has had no US passenger fatalities flying with US licensed pilots As a non-US citizen, I find that comment really disturbing. > Just interesting

> The 737 MAX has had no US passenger fatalities flying with US licensed pilots As a non-US citizen, I find that comment really disturbing. > Just interesting that big pharma walks free "Drugmaker Johnson & Johnson must pay $572m (£468m) for its part in fuelling Oklahoma's opioid addiction crisis, a judge in the US state has ruled." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49452373 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49452373 I understand other states are lining up too.

uniformlyrandom 7y ago
As a human being (that happens to be a US citizen), I find OP's comment really disturbing. The whole comment is whataboutism, so maybe this was just an intentional red herring.
- privateSFacct 7y ago
  If you think folks who have a record in the US (where they can enforce regulations around maintenance, training, ATC, airport design) should be in JAIL for creating a system which has an incredible safety rate among ALL modes of transit I find that disturbing. Seriously - we need MORE folks attracted to public service, not going to jail because armchair quarterbacks on the internet are upset. The safety chain in the US has an absolutely incredible record. And there have been PLENTY of design and other failures along the way even in the US BTW
  - tempguy9999 7y ago
    Pick this apart why don't we. (edit: that came across rude, sorry) > If you think folks [...] should be in JAIL Who is 'folks' here - the entirety of the FAA and boeing? Or more likely just the very few at the top who messed up; those in the FAA who didn't do their job (maybe, maybe not) or those at boeing that took advantage of self-certification to cut corners? Top boeing executives probably earn millions a year, basically they are paid to make the right decisions. That's key. Seems they didn't. FAA probably less. Now you mention it, it seems likely FAA's share of the blame is the lesser, maybe. > which has an incredible safety rate among ALL modes of transit True, and still does, but we now have a case of 2 planeloads of people dead, and a very major US manufacturer that's... well, I don't know but having 5,000 orders frozen for an unknown time can't be good. If that could have been avoided then it should have. Those responsible, should there be a penalty? If so, in your view, if not jail then what? There are plenty of people in US jails far more trivial things. Can this be right?
privateSFacct 7y ago
US / FAA airlines, particularly on a per passenger mile flown basis (which for US carriers is a huge number) are incredibly safe - both against other modes of transit and same mode in a number of other countries. I won't get into all the reasons - many understandable, many addressable. But one small point - it generally takes a chain of issues (from design to maintenance to PIC) to result in an fatality these days. Paying fines is not jail time. The big white collar criminals never seem to actually do jail time. Many don't even pay back their bonuses or sell their second homes. A guy selling MJ can get jail time and someone killing 10K people get's a vacation home in the bahamas.

uniformlyrandom 7y ago

As a human being (that happens to be a US citizen), I find OP's comment really disturbing. The whole comment is whataboutism, so maybe this was just an intentional red herring.

privateSFacct 7y ago
If you think folks who have a record in the US (where they can enforce regulations around maintenance, training, ATC, airport design) should be in JAIL for creating a system which has an incredible safety rate among ALL modes of transit I find that disturbing. Seriously - we need MORE folks attracted to public service, not going to jail because armchair quarterbacks on the internet are upset. The safety chain in the US has an absolutely incredible record. And there have been PLENTY of design and other failures along the way even in the US BTW
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  Pick this apart why don't we. (edit: that came across rude, sorry) > If you think folks [...] should be in JAIL Who is 'folks' here - the entirety of the FAA and boeing? Or more likely just the very few at the top who messed up; those in the FAA who didn't do their job (maybe, maybe not) or those at boeing that took advantage of self-certification to cut corners? Top boeing executives probably earn millions a year, basically they are paid to make the right decisions. That's key. Seems they didn't. FAA probably less. Now you mention it, it seems likely FAA's share of the blame is the lesser, maybe. > which has an incredible safety rate among ALL modes of transit True, and still does, but we now have a case of 2 planeloads of people dead, and a very major US manufacturer that's... well, I don't know but having 5,000 orders frozen for an unknown time can't be good. If that could have been avoided then it should have. Those responsible, should there be a penalty? If so, in your view, if not jail then what? There are plenty of people in US jails far more trivial things. Can this be right?

privateSFacct 7y ago

US / FAA airlines, particularly on a per passenger mile flown basis (which for US carriers is a huge number) are incredibly safe - both against other modes of transit and same mode in a number of other countries. I won't get into all the reasons - many understandable, many addressable. But one small point - it generally takes a chain of issues (from design to maintenance to PIC) to result in an fatality these days. Paying fines is not jail time. The big white collar criminals never seem to actually do jail time. Many don't even pay back their bonuses or sell their second homes. A guy selling MJ can get jail time and someone killing 10K people get's a vacation home in the bahamas.