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I'd say many people actually reboot their phones frequently - every time they cannot or forget to charge in time and the phone goes black. :)
by denisw 7y ago
I'd say many people actually reboot their phones frequently - every time they cannot or forget to charge in time and the phone goes black. :)
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoThat's horrifying to me - I've had many phones, and never let that happen. It's bad for the battery, it's bad for the phone, it's just a bad option all around. You can't let your phone do that on a regular basis and then complain that it's slow and the battery doesn't last.
- coldtea 7y agoActually it's not bad at all much less "horrifying", that's all old wives tales... It's not bad for the phone, and whether it's bad for the battery depends on the battery technology. In fact previous battery technologies were recommending the occasional full drain! For lithium-ion batteries the kind used in the iPhone draining to 0% can indeed strain them (though less than you think, as shown by research), but the iPhone doesn't let them go to 0% anyway. It switches off way before that (even if it shows it as 0%). Mind you that regular use cycles (defined by Apple as using 100% of a full charge, even if it's broken down as going from 100% to 80% for five days and recharging) also strains the battery. You cannot not strain it, all current technology batteries degrade over time. Also note that getting lithium-ion batteries to 100% and keeping them charging can also harm them (although modern devices have mechanisms to prevent that). In general it's advisable to keep going from 80%-20% and back, than to go all the way to charged (or down to 0). Same, one should not store long term fully charged. But most of this is irrelevant micromanagement unless you plan to keep your phone for years and don't ever consider replacing the battery. Even so, the battery lifespan vendors like Apple give is around 3 years of cycles. All in all, you can fully drain your lithium-ion iPhone battery as often as the average person does (e.g. just avoid doing it all the time), and you'll see no special degradation. It will run its cycles and will degrade by regular use after a few years even if you never let it drain (and you can trivially replace it with a new one).
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoDo you have a link or something to disprove that?
- dota_fanatic 7y ago> Similar to a mechanical device that wears out faster with heavy use, the depth of discharge (DoD) determines the cycle count of the battery. The smaller the discharge (low DoD), the longer the battery will last. If at all possible, avoid full discharges and charge the battery more often between uses. Partial discharge on Li-ion is fine. There is no memory and the battery does not need periodic full discharge cycles to prolong life. The exception may be a periodic calibration of the fuel gauge on a smart battery or intelligent device.[1] Why should we trust your statements over ones like these which seemingly are backed by more data and and explanations of the underlying physics? [1] https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_l...
- Accacin 7y agoWhen Apple displays the battery stats to the user it's not actually even close to 0%. That would mean you are avoiding full discharges so you're both right.
- coldtea 7y agoYeah, I mention that. It works on the other side too: iPhones also won't keep batteries charging when they're at 100% so they're protected from such "trickle charging" as well.
- coldtea 7y agoI already covered this - that li-ion takes a hit if totally drained. The point was the degree to which this happens, that modern devices don't let it happen (the shut down much earlier, around 10% or so, so it's a moot point), and that your battery will lose capacity, anyway, due to natural cycle degradation over the course of 2-3 years. More importantly, that such tracking is marginally useful micromanagement (and, Apple's artificial throttling for degraded batteries aside, has nothing to do with affecting a device's speed. A 90% charged device is not magically faster than a 20% charged one). Apple itself, in their document about battery technology and care ignores the "fully drain" issue completely.
- Redoubts 7y agoI see people all the time with constant low battery phones and laptops. IDK how people live like this, but they do. Sometimes I wonder if the windows 10 auto-update fiasco was really about people who rarely recharge; and finally charging their laptop the one time they needed to be prepared, only to get owned by Windows Update at the worst time.
- tudelo 7y agoIt's horrifying? Jesus christ your life must be pretty exciting.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoIt is, but not like, "criticizing people for questionable word choices on the internet" exciting.
- stjohnswarts 7y agoYou're wrong. Letting it run out isn't bad for your battery. At most you'll get an extra 10% of battery life out of the "don't go below 30% or above 80% when charging to get the best life out of your battery". I use my phone and charge it when it goes dead or when I go to sleep at night depending on usage. I regularly get 4 years or so out of my phone before switching to a new one.
- dillonmckay 7y agoSome of us do it intentionally.
- dawnerd 7y agoI have to because the twitter app for some reason causes my phone to freeze up like crazy until I reboot. I wish there was a good way to report it, neither apple or twitter seem interested.
- stjohnswarts 7y agothere are like 10 million twitter apps why not switch to one of those and drop the one that makes your phone a POS?
- dawnerd 7y agoNone of them support proper notification or dms anymore thanks to Twitter API changes. I miss tweetbot :( If Im just browsing I use the mobile web interface since it's just better anyways.