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People almost never reboot their phones. I rarely reboot. So if you don’t tell me I need to reboot my iPhone, I won’t.

by cromwellian 7y ago

departure 7y ago
In my experience iOS does an automatic reboot when updating.
- PunchTornado 7y ago
  that doesn't answer the question of why didn't they go public with the information? Most people don't update frequently enough. Also some people may need to change password etc. if they've visited those sites.
  - professorTuring 7y ago
    That's easy, apple does not know if your specific mobile has been compromised. Also, nobody stole anything from Apple... It was a vulnerability and they provided a patch (remember that software is provided "as is") I can't see how any software provider (ie Microsoft, Linux, Google... ) will say "install this patch to fix this and you may or may not been hacked, good luck"... They just provide the patch.
    - gsich 7y ago
      With most leaks (and just assuming this is true, and data has been collected) you get the info to change passwords.
      - professorTuring 7y ago
        This is not a leak from a company is a leak from your device. The only one that can know if something has leaked is you. Consider a lock manufacturer that has a key copy of each client. If someone enters in the building and steals all the keys, clearly the manufacturer should inform all their clients. But, if a vulnerability has been found in a lock model, the manufacturer can tell you about the vulnerability, but definitely they can't tell you if your house has been robbed that way (or if it has been robbed at all). Anyway, with this story alone and without knowing if you have visited these webpages that allegedly hacked your iPhone (why aren't they listed?) the only thing you can do is renewing passwords in your most critical accounts.
        gsich 7y ago
        Yes. And they can still warn about it.
        oarsinsync 7y ago
        They do. Every patch release contains release notes and security notes disclosing what vulnerabilities have been identified and patched. This is industry standard practice, because this is a regular occurrence on all software platforms. It’s not big news when it happens all the time. What is big news, that’s gotten lost in all the noise, is that Google (through it’s crawling of the web) has been able to identify that some websites were (are) indiscriminately jailbreaking iPhones for the purposes of stealing user data. This is the kind of thing that is routine on Windows, is likely to be routine on Android (given how many unpatchable devices are in use) but wasn’t considered to be routine on iOS. The takeaway from all this is simple: if you’re not fully patched, you’re at significant risk. It doesn’t matter which platform you use.
        professorTuring 7y ago
        Thank you, I left him for impossible...
    - viraptor 7y ago
      > I can't see how any software provider (ie Microsoft, Linux, Google... ) will say "install this patch to fix this and you may or may not been hacked, good luck" This is part of the reason CVEs and security bulletins exist. We're being notified about potential issues all the time by many vendors.
      - professorTuring 7y ago
        Yeps, definitely, agree. But CVEs are intended for specialists. "Users" don't know about CVE.
  - natermer 7y ago
    > that doesn't answer the question of why didn't they go public with the information? Because Apple wants to maintain the facade that you can trust them with your data.
  - stjohnswarts 7y ago
    It's bad advertising. The purpose of a corporation is to make money for stockholders, not report to you that they failed to protect you from hackers. There is no advantage to letting you know, it's much better to just fix it and push the fix and be done with it. Corporations are not moral beings, it's silly to think of them in that manner.
denisw 7y ago
I'd say many people actually reboot their phones frequently - every time they cannot or forget to charge in time and the phone goes black. :)
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
  That's horrifying to me - I've had many phones, and never let that happen. It's bad for the battery, it's bad for the phone, it's just a bad option all around. You can't let your phone do that on a regular basis and then complain that it's slow and the battery doesn't last.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    Actually it's not bad at all much less "horrifying", that's all old wives tales... It's not bad for the phone, and whether it's bad for the battery depends on the battery technology. In fact previous battery technologies were recommending the occasional full drain! For lithium-ion batteries the kind used in the iPhone draining to 0% can indeed strain them (though less than you think, as shown by research), but the iPhone doesn't let them go to 0% anyway. It switches off way before that (even if it shows it as 0%). Mind you that regular use cycles (defined by Apple as using 100% of a full charge, even if it's broken down as going from 100% to 80% for five days and recharging) also strains the battery. You cannot not strain it, all current technology batteries degrade over time. Also note that getting lithium-ion batteries to 100% and keeping them charging can also harm them (although modern devices have mechanisms to prevent that). In general it's advisable to keep going from 80%-20% and back, than to go all the way to charged (or down to 0). Same, one should not store long term fully charged. But most of this is irrelevant micromanagement unless you plan to keep your phone for years and don't ever consider replacing the battery. Even so, the battery lifespan vendors like Apple give is around 3 years of cycles. All in all, you can fully drain your lithium-ion iPhone battery as often as the average person does (e.g. just avoid doing it all the time), and you'll see no special degradation. It will run its cycles and will degrade by regular use after a few years even if you never let it drain (and you can trivially replace it with a new one).
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oarsinsync 7y ago
Until the battery runs out, which happens to most people I know at least once a month.
- cromwellian 7y ago
  Never happens to me, I charge pretty much everywhere. In car, at my desk, etc Seems people are going out of their way to let Apple off the hook for not disclosing to the user a major risk and silently fixing it.
ummonk 7y ago
Every iOS update I've had has resulted in a reboot.
jdavis703 7y ago
Do you have data to back this up? I turn off my phone whenever I need to focus or want to avoid being tracked. This happens multiple times a week.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  Most of the people I know never turn off their phones. I'm fairly sure my parents have not done so for at least a couple of months. I wouldn't either, if not for the fact that I need to restart for updates every couple of weeks.

People almost never reboot their phones. I rarely reboot. So if you don’t tell me I need to reboot my iPhone, I won’t.

departure 7y ago

In my experience iOS does an automatic reboot when updating.

PunchTornado 7y ago
that doesn't answer the question of why didn't they go public with the information? Most people don't update frequently enough. Also some people may need to change password etc. if they've visited those sites.
- professorTuring 7y ago
  That's easy, apple does not know if your specific mobile has been compromised. Also, nobody stole anything from Apple... It was a vulnerability and they provided a patch (remember that software is provided "as is") I can't see how any software provider (ie Microsoft, Linux, Google... ) will say "install this patch to fix this and you may or may not been hacked, good luck"... They just provide the patch.
  - gsich 7y ago
    With most leaks (and just assuming this is true, and data has been collected) you get the info to change passwords.
    - professorTuring 7y ago
      This is not a leak from a company is a leak from your device. The only one that can know if something has leaked is you. Consider a lock manufacturer that has a key copy of each client. If someone enters in the building and steals all the keys, clearly the manufacturer should inform all their clients. But, if a vulnerability has been found in a lock model, the manufacturer can tell you about the vulnerability, but definitely they can't tell you if your house has been robbed that way (or if it has been robbed at all). Anyway, with this story alone and without knowing if you have visited these webpages that allegedly hacked your iPhone (why aren't they listed?) the only thing you can do is renewing passwords in your most critical accounts.
      - gsich 7y ago
        Yes. And they can still warn about it.
        oarsinsync 7y ago
        They do. Every patch release contains release notes and security notes disclosing what vulnerabilities have been identified and patched. This is industry standard practice, because this is a regular occurrence on all software platforms. It’s not big news when it happens all the time. What is big news, that’s gotten lost in all the noise, is that Google (through it’s crawling of the web) has been able to identify that some websites were (are) indiscriminately jailbreaking iPhones for the purposes of stealing user data. This is the kind of thing that is routine on Windows, is likely to be routine on Android (given how many unpatchable devices are in use) but wasn’t considered to be routine on iOS. The takeaway from all this is simple: if you’re not fully patched, you’re at significant risk. It doesn’t matter which platform you use.
        professorTuring 7y ago
        Thank you, I left him for impossible...
  - viraptor 7y ago
    > I can't see how any software provider (ie Microsoft, Linux, Google... ) will say "install this patch to fix this and you may or may not been hacked, good luck" This is part of the reason CVEs and security bulletins exist. We're being notified about potential issues all the time by many vendors.
    - professorTuring 7y ago
      Yeps, definitely, agree. But CVEs are intended for specialists. "Users" don't know about CVE.
- natermer 7y ago
  > that doesn't answer the question of why didn't they go public with the information? Because Apple wants to maintain the facade that you can trust them with your data.
- stjohnswarts 7y ago
  It's bad advertising. The purpose of a corporation is to make money for stockholders, not report to you that they failed to protect you from hackers. There is no advantage to letting you know, it's much better to just fix it and push the fix and be done with it. Corporations are not moral beings, it's silly to think of them in that manner.

denisw 7y ago

I'd say many people actually reboot their phones frequently - every time they cannot or forget to charge in time and the phone goes black. :)

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
That's horrifying to me - I've had many phones, and never let that happen. It's bad for the battery, it's bad for the phone, it's just a bad option all around. You can't let your phone do that on a regular basis and then complain that it's slow and the battery doesn't last.
- coldtea 7y ago
  Actually it's not bad at all much less "horrifying", that's all old wives tales... It's not bad for the phone, and whether it's bad for the battery depends on the battery technology. In fact previous battery technologies were recommending the occasional full drain! For lithium-ion batteries the kind used in the iPhone draining to 0% can indeed strain them (though less than you think, as shown by research), but the iPhone doesn't let them go to 0% anyway. It switches off way before that (even if it shows it as 0%). Mind you that regular use cycles (defined by Apple as using 100% of a full charge, even if it's broken down as going from 100% to 80% for five days and recharging) also strains the battery. You cannot not strain it, all current technology batteries degrade over time. Also note that getting lithium-ion batteries to 100% and keeping them charging can also harm them (although modern devices have mechanisms to prevent that). In general it's advisable to keep going from 80%-20% and back, than to go all the way to charged (or down to 0). Same, one should not store long term fully charged. But most of this is irrelevant micromanagement unless you plan to keep your phone for years and don't ever consider replacing the battery. Even so, the battery lifespan vendors like Apple give is around 3 years of cycles. All in all, you can fully drain your lithium-ion iPhone battery as often as the average person does (e.g. just avoid doing it all the time), and you'll see no special degradation. It will run its cycles and will degrade by regular use after a few years even if you never let it drain (and you can trivially replace it with a new one).
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oarsinsync 7y ago

Until the battery runs out, which happens to most people I know at least once a month.

cromwellian 7y ago
Never happens to me, I charge pretty much everywhere. In car, at my desk, etc Seems people are going out of their way to let Apple off the hook for not disclosing to the user a major risk and silently fixing it.

ummonk 7y ago

Every iOS update I've had has resulted in a reboot.

jdavis703 7y ago

Do you have data to back this up? I turn off my phone whenever I need to focus or want to avoid being tracked. This happens multiple times a week.

saagarjha 7y ago
Most of the people I know never turn off their phones. I'm fairly sure my parents have not done so for at least a couple of months. I wouldn't either, if not for the fact that I need to restart for updates every couple of weeks.