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I don’t think they write articles/scandals on the huge amount of harassment people receive just for being a woman on the internet, or black on the internet. The

I don’t think they write articles/scandals on the huge amount of harassment people receive just for being a woman on the internet, or black on the internet. The reality is that (1) everyone gets harassed online (2) black people get harassed more than white people (3) women get harassed much much more than men. If all you’re reading is articles about “gates” then of course it seems like there is an assault on a specific type of person, but you need to adjust your priors to understand that many women receive that volume of abuse much more frequently and no one is writing articles on it. There might be acute attacks on individuals in scandals, but there is a constant mid to high level harassment on some individuals.

pmlnr 7y ago
I've not challenged or questioned your points. The scandals, CoC, []Gate, on the other hand, doesn't really seems to be working, because they keep popping up. Hence the thought of pseudonyms.
- apacheCamel 7y ago
  I am not sure on your reasoning here. If they keep popping up, isn't that a good thing? More and more communities are seeing the internal problems these people are causing and are calling them out on it. I've never seen "ReactGate 2.0 cause the 1.0 people are still causing issues". I can't say every "gate" has fixed all their problems but acknowledging the issues and working towards a fix is a step in the right direction.
  - username90 7y ago
    Is there any part of tech which succeeded and is now a blossoming haven of diversity? I mean, with so many people getting pushed out from everywhere else it should be easy to fill your rank with top talent, no? Given that we have a few million programmers in USA, you'd expect it to be a simple task to get a few thousand of these harassed people together to start something big. I know there are a few projects with ~100 people, but I am not aware of anything larger than that which is not what we would expect. So the measures we apply today like CoC's seems to have no effect on how welcoming the industry feels to marginalized people.
eej2ya1K 7y ago
Stop lying.

pmlnr 7y ago

I've not challenged or questioned your points. The scandals, CoC, []Gate, on the other hand, doesn't really seems to be working, because they keep popping up. Hence the thought of pseudonyms.

apacheCamel 7y ago
I am not sure on your reasoning here. If they keep popping up, isn't that a good thing? More and more communities are seeing the internal problems these people are causing and are calling them out on it. I've never seen "ReactGate 2.0 cause the 1.0 people are still causing issues". I can't say every "gate" has fixed all their problems but acknowledging the issues and working towards a fix is a step in the right direction.
- username90 7y ago
  Is there any part of tech which succeeded and is now a blossoming haven of diversity? I mean, with so many people getting pushed out from everywhere else it should be easy to fill your rank with top talent, no? Given that we have a few million programmers in USA, you'd expect it to be a simple task to get a few thousand of these harassed people together to start something big. I know there are a few projects with ~100 people, but I am not aware of anything larger than that which is not what we would expect. So the measures we apply today like CoC's seems to have no effect on how welcoming the industry feels to marginalized people.

eej2ya1K 7y ago

Stop lying.