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Some no-vax downvoted you :D Jokes aside, it's not stupid, it's just extremely dangerous. It's unbelievable what a luxury we have nowadays! Saying NO to vacci

by mk89 7y ago

Some no-vax downvoted you :D Jokes aside, it's not stupid, it's just extremely dangerous. It's unbelievable what a luxury we have nowadays! Saying NO to vaccines. Any person from the last 5000 years would have had these shots without thinking twice about it. We, on the other hand, think not about survival anymore, but about "oh, my freedom is endangered".

aerovistae 7y ago
In what way is it not stupid?
- mk89 7y ago
  In the way that children may die because of non-vaccinated people around them. And also all those people with serious diseases that can't risk taking other diseases, like people fighting cancer or whatsoever. It's the so called mass immunization, and it's very well documented to have proven improvements in terms of health in the last century. Otherwise let's all go back to the Middle Age where people would die for a cold. It's not me telling. It's being part of society. If you want to benefit from it, you have to follow social rules. Otherwise go live in a jungle like some people do. I find it unfair that a newborn should risk his life because people around are not immunized. It's unfair to benefit from health improvements thanks to all the others that are immunizing themselves through vaccines. That's what I find stupid and evil. First page result on google: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/mass-immunization https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/...
  - mk89 7y ago
    I think I read "in what way is it stupid?". Sorry, my bad :)
whatshisface 7y ago
If you make it a law that you have to buy and consume a certain product, what incentive is there for the manufacturer to care about making it a good one? If in a mandatory-vaccination world contamination and low effectiveness don't reduce the number of people getting vaccines, then I would forecast some serious quality issues as pharma companies (who are corporations, not nonprofit health organizations) get sloppy. In a world where a single pharma company can be given total control of the manufacture of a specific vaccine via patents, mandatory vaccination is really asking for trouble. I could patent a vaccine to cure some random virus, use my army of lobbyists to convince the government it was a health crisis, and distribute saline injections for 20 years.
- mk89 7y ago
  In a hypothetical world you are really right. In the real world, people survive measles thanks to vaccines, while it wasn't the case just 100 years ago. https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/measles/dis/ https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/measles/dis/ Now, you can have all the most interesting 'pharma is bad' arguments, facts are facts. You don't have to go out and worry about catching measles. The biggest worry is "oh shit, will I catch the train?".

by mk89 7y ago

aerovistae 7y ago

In what way is it not stupid?

mk89 7y ago
In the way that children may die because of non-vaccinated people around them. And also all those people with serious diseases that can't risk taking other diseases, like people fighting cancer or whatsoever. It's the so called mass immunization, and it's very well documented to have proven improvements in terms of health in the last century. Otherwise let's all go back to the Middle Age where people would die for a cold. It's not me telling. It's being part of society. If you want to benefit from it, you have to follow social rules. Otherwise go live in a jungle like some people do. I find it unfair that a newborn should risk his life because people around are not immunized. It's unfair to benefit from health improvements thanks to all the others that are immunizing themselves through vaccines. That's what I find stupid and evil. First page result on google: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/mass-immunization https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/...
- mk89 7y ago
  I think I read "in what way is it stupid?". Sorry, my bad :)

whatshisface 7y ago

If you make it a law that you have to buy and consume a certain product, what incentive is there for the manufacturer to care about making it a good one? If in a mandatory-vaccination world contamination and low effectiveness don't reduce the number of people getting vaccines, then I would forecast some serious quality issues as pharma companies (who are corporations, not nonprofit health organizations) get sloppy. In a world where a single pharma company can be given total control of the manufacture of a specific vaccine via patents, mandatory vaccination is really asking for trouble. I could patent a vaccine to cure some random virus, use my army of lobbyists to convince the government it was a health crisis, and distribute saline injections for 20 years.

mk89 7y ago
In a hypothetical world you are really right. In the real world, people survive measles thanks to vaccines, while it wasn't the case just 100 years ago. https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/measles/dis/ https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/measles/dis/ Now, you can have all the most interesting 'pharma is bad' arguments, facts are facts. You don't have to go out and worry about catching measles. The biggest worry is "oh shit, will I catch the train?".