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I suppose this list must be combined with the following explanation: "To be targeted might mean simply being born in a certain geographic region or being part o

I suppose this list must be combined with the following explanation: "To be targeted might mean simply being born in a certain geographic region or being part of a certain ethnic group."[^1] So the suspects are countries that fight against the autonomy of a region where the population is ethnically different. The most obvious suspect is China: they have gulag camps in Xinjiang where Uygurs are interned, up to 1.1 million according to the UN[^2]. The dominant ethnic in China is Han, and Uygurs have been oppressed for decades. Of course, other countries could do this, but the probabilty of Birmania/Rohingya, SaudiArabia/Yemen… seems much lower. On a side note, Voxer seems to be quite proeminent in China, according to the popularity of their Android app[^3]. [^1]: https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-d... [^2]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/11/if-you-enter-a-camp-you-never-come-out-inside-chinas-war-on-islam https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/11/if-you-enter-a... [^3]: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rebelvox.voxer&hl=zh https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rebelvox.v...

Wowfunhappy 7y ago
> The most obvious suspect is China: they have gulag camps in Xinjiang where Uygurs are interned, up to 1.1 million according to the UN[^2]. The dominant ethnic in China is Han, and Uygurs have been oppressed for decades. But China doesn't need exploits to spy on their iPhone-using citizens, right? Because Apple has been cooperating with the Chinese government.
- snazz 7y ago
  Do you have some evidence of that? Aside from iCloud hosting and App Store censorship, I haven’t heard of a case where they’ve weakened security for the Chinese government.
  - madeofpalk 7y ago
    "Aside from iCloud hosting" is a pretty big "aside"
    - ThaJay 7y ago
      It's a pretty big aside but it is not iOS
  - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
    I must have been thinking of iCloud.
  - glenrivard 7y ago
    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy-betrayal-for-chinese-icloud-users/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy... Campaign targets Apple over privacy betrayal for Chinese ... https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2104610/apple-pulls-major-vpn-china-app-store https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/21... Apple pulls major VPN from China App Store | South China ...
ttyyuuooe 7y ago
To shed some more light on the situation, the Uyghurs in the region had affirmative action programs and were exempt from the one child policy. They had more perks than regular Han Chinese. However, with the spread of Salafism [1] in that region, China started to suffer multiple terrorist attacks a year. With the worst resulting in 35 deaths and hundreds injured [2]. As a result, to stop these terrorist attacks, China started these de-radicalization centres. Since then, there have been no attacks. 1. latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-china-saudi-arabia-20160201-story.html 2. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack

Wowfunhappy 7y ago

> The most obvious suspect is China: they have gulag camps in Xinjiang where Uygurs are interned, up to 1.1 million according to the UN[^2]. The dominant ethnic in China is Han, and Uygurs have been oppressed for decades. But China doesn't need exploits to spy on their iPhone-using citizens, right? Because Apple has been cooperating with the Chinese government.

snazz 7y ago
Do you have some evidence of that? Aside from iCloud hosting and App Store censorship, I haven’t heard of a case where they’ve weakened security for the Chinese government.
- madeofpalk 7y ago
  "Aside from iCloud hosting" is a pretty big "aside"
  - ThaJay 7y ago
    It's a pretty big aside but it is not iOS
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
  I must have been thinking of iCloud.
- glenrivard 7y ago
  https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy-betrayal-for-chinese-icloud-users/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy... Campaign targets Apple over privacy betrayal for Chinese ... https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2104610/apple-pulls-major-vpn-china-app-store https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/21... Apple pulls major VPN from China App Store | South China ...

ttyyuuooe 7y ago

To shed some more light on the situation, the Uyghurs in the region had affirmative action programs and were exempt from the one child policy. They had more perks than regular Han Chinese. However, with the spread of Salafism [1] in that region, China started to suffer multiple terrorist attacks a year. With the worst resulting in 35 deaths and hundreds injured [2]. As a result, to stop these terrorist attacks, China started these de-radicalization centres. Since then, there have been no attacks. 1. latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-china-saudi-arabia-20160201-story.html 2. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack