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Unfortunately the fallacy of correlation-is-causation muddies the water here. Does self-medication cause incipient psychoses to fully manifest, or do those wit

by bregma 7y ago

Unfortunately the fallacy of correlation-is-causation muddies the water here. Does self-medication cause incipient psychoses to fully manifest, or do those with incipient psychoses resort to self-medication in early stages in seeking to treat their symptoms? Fortunately, it's still illegal to even study these things in America so we can comfortably resort to what we have faith in without the scourge of proof. This goes just as much for the miracle of CBD oil (CBD rhymes with 'znake').

buttcoinslol 7y ago
I personally think it's the latter. There are estimates that 60-90% of schizophrenics smoke cigarettes, which is 2-3x the normal smoking rate. I think schizophrenics are more likely to smoke marijuana around the time the disease begins to manifest. It's a lot easier to look at your child/brother/uncle/whatever and say "weed did this to him, it's all weed's fault" vs "the disease presented concurrent with a time period where person used cannabis". I'm not even slightly convinced that weed induced schizophrenia is real.
- AnthonBerg 7y ago
  Cannabis gives me manic and schizophrenic symptoms. I feel emotions I don’t have names for. I don’t get these symptoms without. This is a strong psychedelic with a very long binding time deep inside our neurobiology.
  - lawnchair_larry 7y ago
    If you only have those symptoms while under the influence, this doesn’t really mean anything.
    - AnthonBerg 7y ago
      That’s true; I had them long, long after too. All I really mean by the comment is that I ask the possibility be considered to be real.
- bregma 7y ago
  I'm just not convinced we have adequate information to formulate an educated opinion either way. More, better, validated research would help, but like nutrition and much in medecine, the nature of the problem precludes ever gaining a rigourous scientifically robust result. Not only that, I lack the confidence we as a society can make adequate decisions on restrictions to freedoms based on the sorts of numbers and correlations that are currently being published. Does the expected reduction in harm justify the restrictions of personal freedoms imposed in its name? Does it help more than, say, banning high school sports would?

by bregma 7y ago

buttcoinslol 7y ago

I personally think it's the latter. There are estimates that 60-90% of schizophrenics smoke cigarettes, which is 2-3x the normal smoking rate. I think schizophrenics are more likely to smoke marijuana around the time the disease begins to manifest. It's a lot easier to look at your child/brother/uncle/whatever and say "weed did this to him, it's all weed's fault" vs "the disease presented concurrent with a time period where person used cannabis". I'm not even slightly convinced that weed induced schizophrenia is real.

AnthonBerg 7y ago
Cannabis gives me manic and schizophrenic symptoms. I feel emotions I don’t have names for. I don’t get these symptoms without. This is a strong psychedelic with a very long binding time deep inside our neurobiology.
- lawnchair_larry 7y ago
  If you only have those symptoms while under the influence, this doesn’t really mean anything.
  - AnthonBerg 7y ago
    That’s true; I had them long, long after too. All I really mean by the comment is that I ask the possibility be considered to be real.
bregma 7y ago
I'm just not convinced we have adequate information to formulate an educated opinion either way. More, better, validated research would help, but like nutrition and much in medecine, the nature of the problem precludes ever gaining a rigourous scientifically robust result. Not only that, I lack the confidence we as a society can make adequate decisions on restrictions to freedoms based on the sorts of numbers and correlations that are currently being published. Does the expected reduction in harm justify the restrictions of personal freedoms imposed in its name? Does it help more than, say, banning high school sports would?