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This. I am all for legalization but it’s not a safe drug. Induced schizophrenia by weed can be a thing if you carry a specific gene.

rosser 7y ago
The association between cannabis and schizophrenia remains, as far as I'm aware, primarily statistical, and other factors like familial history are significantly more predictive. EDIT: That is, I don't think we have sufficient understanding to say whether pot abuse causes schizophrenia, or schizophrenics are more likely to abuse pot. Given what I know of how awful a ride that is, self-medicating that devolves into abuse seems far more plausible to me. Further, there's research that takes into account family history of these mental illnesses out to 3rd — and further — degrees, and which suggests a much stronger link between that and the illness, than the drug use.
- tdb7893 7y ago
  The thing for me is the fact that it might lead to schizophrenia is still scary. I've met a lot of people on the "it's not proven so I'm going to assume it's safe" side and I never understood it but then again I'm fairly risk averse.
  - rosser 7y ago
    It's broken thinking to assume something is safe on the basis of a lack of proof otherwise. We have a pretty substantial body of research exonerating cannabis of a lot of the harms other drugs of abuse can bring. Literally no-one ever has died of a cannabis overdose, that we know of. We know it's safe that way. There is of course a risk with any mind-altering substance that it might trigger a latent or occult mental illness. Those odds go up, sometimes significantly, with more powerful substances, and even more so when the user has any genetic predisposition towards those conditions. There's also a risk of having a difficult or traumatic experience, which can likewise increase with dose or different substances. That said, those of us who work with these substances intentionally often find that those experiences can be where the really transformative stuff happens.
- Pimpus 7y ago
  Anyone who's taken it should have no problem understanding how easily this drug can create a disturbed state of mind. It has quite powerful psychoactive effects.
  - rosser 7y ago
    I do a lot of work with psychedelics. I'm very, very well aware of the power of consciousness-altering chemicals to have profound effects. That's kind of the whole point of using them. They should be respected but I don't see how that implies they should be feared. EDIT: Phrasing
    - MiroF 7y ago
      Putting weed and hard psychedelics in the same category is silly imo. The strength of a drug like LSD takes my breath away compared to something like pot.
      - LocalH 7y ago
        I wouldn't call LSD a "hard psychedelic". Potent, maybe, but not "hard". If anything, a more dissociative substance such as salvia would be more along what I'd call a "hard" one. Or perhaps 5-MeO-DMT.
- bigfudge 7y ago
  > I don't think we have sufficient understanding This is correct. But we do have sufficient statistical evidence to rule out _large_ negative effects. We do know that cannabis is very unlikely to be as harmful to physcal and mental health as alcohol.
inflatableDodo 7y ago
Given the link between inflamation due to infection and schizophrenia (here's a radio documentary on the subject, 'The Inflamed Mind', https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpjYmYPKZNE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpjYmYPKZNE ) and the fact that joints and bongs are very often shared, any correlation could be entirely down to the increase in disease transmission vectors rather than the cannabis itself.
crashlander 7y ago
I think you meant to say "Induced schizophrenia by weed could be a thing, but more research is needed". The causation and correlation between existing mental health issues and weed is not well understood. Correlation is not equal to causation...
wannabcodr 7y ago
Marijuana usually begins as a social habit so the pathway to marijuana induced mental issues isn’t going to be so easily tied back to a gene.
birdyrooster 7y ago
Please do not repeat unsourced, unsubstantiated claims with further unsourced, unsubstantiated claims. You are making bold proclamations that are not generally accepted and need extraordinarily high quality evidence to back them.

rosser 7y ago

The association between cannabis and schizophrenia remains, as far as I'm aware, primarily statistical, and other factors like familial history are significantly more predictive. EDIT: That is, I don't think we have sufficient understanding to say whether pot abuse causes schizophrenia, or schizophrenics are more likely to abuse pot. Given what I know of how awful a ride that is, self-medicating that devolves into abuse seems far more plausible to me. Further, there's research that takes into account family history of these mental illnesses out to 3rd — and further — degrees, and which suggests a much stronger link between that and the illness, than the drug use.

tdb7893 7y ago
The thing for me is the fact that it might lead to schizophrenia is still scary. I've met a lot of people on the "it's not proven so I'm going to assume it's safe" side and I never understood it but then again I'm fairly risk averse.
- rosser 7y ago
  It's broken thinking to assume something is safe on the basis of a lack of proof otherwise. We have a pretty substantial body of research exonerating cannabis of a lot of the harms other drugs of abuse can bring. Literally no-one ever has died of a cannabis overdose, that we know of. We know it's safe that way. There is of course a risk with any mind-altering substance that it might trigger a latent or occult mental illness. Those odds go up, sometimes significantly, with more powerful substances, and even more so when the user has any genetic predisposition towards those conditions. There's also a risk of having a difficult or traumatic experience, which can likewise increase with dose or different substances. That said, those of us who work with these substances intentionally often find that those experiences can be where the really transformative stuff happens.
Pimpus 7y ago
Anyone who's taken it should have no problem understanding how easily this drug can create a disturbed state of mind. It has quite powerful psychoactive effects.
- rosser 7y ago
  I do a lot of work with psychedelics. I'm very, very well aware of the power of consciousness-altering chemicals to have profound effects. That's kind of the whole point of using them. They should be respected but I don't see how that implies they should be feared. EDIT: Phrasing
  - MiroF 7y ago
    Putting weed and hard psychedelics in the same category is silly imo. The strength of a drug like LSD takes my breath away compared to something like pot.
    - LocalH 7y ago
      I wouldn't call LSD a "hard psychedelic". Potent, maybe, but not "hard". If anything, a more dissociative substance such as salvia would be more along what I'd call a "hard" one. Or perhaps 5-MeO-DMT.
bigfudge 7y ago
> I don't think we have sufficient understanding This is correct. But we do have sufficient statistical evidence to rule out _large_ negative effects. We do know that cannabis is very unlikely to be as harmful to physcal and mental health as alcohol.

inflatableDodo 7y ago

Given the link between inflamation due to infection and schizophrenia (here's a radio documentary on the subject, 'The Inflamed Mind', https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpjYmYPKZNE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpjYmYPKZNE ) and the fact that joints and bongs are very often shared, any correlation could be entirely down to the increase in disease transmission vectors rather than the cannabis itself.

crashlander 7y ago

I think you meant to say "Induced schizophrenia by weed could be a thing, but more research is needed". The causation and correlation between existing mental health issues and weed is not well understood. Correlation is not equal to causation...

wannabcodr 7y ago

Marijuana usually begins as a social habit so the pathway to marijuana induced mental issues isn’t going to be so easily tied back to a gene.

birdyrooster 7y ago

Please do not repeat unsourced, unsubstantiated claims with further unsourced, unsubstantiated claims. You are making bold proclamations that are not generally accepted and need extraordinarily high quality evidence to back them.