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> And Clinton and Obama were left of center, within the context of US politics. (And since this is a discussion of US politics, US definitions are the normal on
by mullingitover 7y ago
> And Clinton and Obama were left of center, within the context of US politics. (And since this is a discussion of US politics, US definitions are the normal ones to use.)
Even the Cato Institute thinks Clinton was to the right of Bush[1].
Meanwhile, sorry, but I'm going to stick with the real meaning of the terms.
By the time Obama was elected, the democrats so far to the right they were simply trying to offer republicans the very health care policy that they themselves crafted (in Nixon's era) and implemented (in Mass under Romney) and by that time republicans had gone so far right that even that was intolerable. Democrats weren't even considering single payer as an opening bargaining position.
[1] https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/was-clinton-more-conservative-bush https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/was-clinton-mor...
- AnimalMuppet 7y agoI never said that Clinton was to the left of Bush. I said that he was to the left of Carter. [Edit: I actually said "not to the right", which left open the possibility of a tie.] And, by sticking to the "real" definition of the terms, you are hindering your ability to communicate to the people you're trying to talk to. Your choice, but I don't think you're making a wise one.
- mullingitover 7y ago> And, by sticking to the "real" definition of the terms, you are hindering your ability to communicate to the people you're trying to talk to. I mean, I established definition of terms early on in this conversation, not my fault if reading comprehension isn't strong with those following the thread.