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I'm not defending Uber here and it is very likely they are spinning this in their favor, but they claim that rate does include expenses: > Ensuring drivers wou

I'm not defending Uber here and it is very likely they are spinning this in their favor, but they claim that rate does include expenses: > Ensuring drivers would earn a minimum of approximately $21 per hour while on a trip, including the costs of their average expenses https://p2a.co/H9gttWA https://p2a.co/H9gttWA

ceejayoz 7y ago
"While on a trip" is very slippery here.
- dymk 7y ago
  It's actually very well defined, so I have no idea how it's a "slippery slope"
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    So there are 730 hours in a month. You're insured for all of them, but you might be driving for only 200 of them, and a portion of that won't be "on a trip". What percentage of the monthly commercial drivers insurance cost are they counting as expenses? Same thing with maintenance. Yeah, that oil change may have cost $40... but none of it was incurred while on a trip.
  - michaelt 7y ago
    ceejayoz didn't say slippery slope - they mean slippery as a synonym for "tricky" or "furtive" For example, "$21 per hour while on a trip" could mean that, if a driver takes a fare 30 minutes out of town then returns empty, they are only paid $10.50 for the hour's work because returning empty was not "on a trip"
    - lonelappde 7y ago
      It's not "could" it's clearly the meaning. Out of town drives have surplus charge for this reason.
RHSeeger 7y ago
That's ambiguous. Uber could say "we pay them $21 per hour, and they are expected to pay for their gas/expenses out of that" and it what they said is still true.
phonon 7y ago
They seem to be saying the $21/h is what the drivers would GROSS, not what they would NET after expenses...otherwise they would write "after" and not "including". Compare to their blog here[1] where they are much clearer. "[T]he median driver in Seattle makes between $19 and $21 per hour before expenses. A typical expense range is between $2.94 and $6.46 per hour" [1] https://www.uber.com/blog/seattle/a-look-at-driver-earnings-in-seattle/ https://www.uber.com/blog/seattle/a-look-at-driver-earnings-...
tass 7y ago
This wording is a little unclear. I’d have liked something a little more specific: “in addition to the incurred average costs...”. As is, it sounds like expenses may be part of the hourly rate.

ceejayoz 7y ago

"While on a trip" is very slippery here.

dymk 7y ago
It's actually very well defined, so I have no idea how it's a "slippery slope"
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  So there are 730 hours in a month. You're insured for all of them, but you might be driving for only 200 of them, and a portion of that won't be "on a trip". What percentage of the monthly commercial drivers insurance cost are they counting as expenses? Same thing with maintenance. Yeah, that oil change may have cost $40... but none of it was incurred while on a trip.
- michaelt 7y ago
  ceejayoz didn't say slippery slope - they mean slippery as a synonym for "tricky" or "furtive" For example, "$21 per hour while on a trip" could mean that, if a driver takes a fare 30 minutes out of town then returns empty, they are only paid $10.50 for the hour's work because returning empty was not "on a trip"
  - lonelappde 7y ago
    It's not "could" it's clearly the meaning. Out of town drives have surplus charge for this reason.

RHSeeger 7y ago

That's ambiguous. Uber could say "we pay them $21 per hour, and they are expected to pay for their gas/expenses out of that" and it what they said is still true.

phonon 7y ago

They seem to be saying the $21/h is what the drivers would GROSS, not what they would NET after expenses...otherwise they would write "after" and not "including". Compare to their blog here[1] where they are much clearer. "[T]he median driver in Seattle makes between $19 and $21 per hour before expenses. A typical expense range is between $2.94 and $6.46 per hour" [1] https://www.uber.com/blog/seattle/a-look-at-driver-earnings-in-seattle/ https://www.uber.com/blog/seattle/a-look-at-driver-earnings-...

tass 7y ago

This wording is a little unclear. I’d have liked something a little more specific: “in addition to the incurred average costs...”. As is, it sounds like expenses may be part of the hourly rate.