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What has changed in the programming world so much that Perl 6 (or raku, or whatever it will be called) is now irrelevant? Seems to me we still have the same pro

by mempko 7y ago

What has changed in the programming world so much that Perl 6 (or raku, or whatever it will be called) is now irrelevant? Seems to me we still have the same problems we did when Perl 6 started. In fact, one of its graces, parallelism, no GIL, is an asset now with multi-core. Reactive programming is popular now which is built into perl 6. Functional programming is now more popular which is built into perl 6. Serving web requests and parsing json is popular now and that's super easy to do with perl 6. Possibly the latest thing that perl 6 does not do (and most languages don't do) is heterogenous computing (GPU/CPU, etc). But perl 6 strength is that it can drop into a new language DSL inline without issue so if any language will just freely mix GPGPU and normal CPU compute in a nice way it could be perl 6. Wonder if anyone in the community is working on that...

shagie 7y ago
I don't need a language with everything built in anymore. The "one tool to do all of the sysadmin's hacks" isn't much of a thing. Instead of the monolithic system and all of its services, we're moving to smaller and smaller systems in smaller and smaller containers. As I've gotten older, the cost of going back and trying to read the old code has gotten more and more mentally expensive. Code that doesn't provide a reasonable way (as in "way that can be reasoned about") to be read gets slowly replaced by that which I can get back into the mindset of when I wrote it quicker. Perl 6 with its myriad of operators is unreasonable. What does ⊖ or ∅ mean? Or −= (note the unicode U+2212 minus sign vs the traditional minus sign - are they different? edit: ok, I can't even add the unicode 'atom' symbol here) or »=«? How do you even type those? I enjoyed perl 5. I'll still code in it for a quick script... but I'm finding myself leaning more and more to groovy for the scripts in part because I've been writing Java for the two decades rather than perl. I don't need the abilities that perl 6 provides and I wouldn't want my coworkers developing a DSL. Perl 6 brings a lot of interesting ideas to the table... but I don't want them in my code base.

by mempko 7y ago

shagie 7y ago

I don't need a language with everything built in anymore. The "one tool to do all of the sysadmin's hacks" isn't much of a thing. Instead of the monolithic system and all of its services, we're moving to smaller and smaller systems in smaller and smaller containers. As I've gotten older, the cost of going back and trying to read the old code has gotten more and more mentally expensive. Code that doesn't provide a reasonable way (as in "way that can be reasoned about") to be read gets slowly replaced by that which I can get back into the mindset of when I wrote it quicker. Perl 6 with its myriad of operators is unreasonable. What does ⊖ or ∅ mean? Or −= (note the unicode U+2212 minus sign vs the traditional minus sign - are they different? edit: ok, I can't even add the unicode 'atom' symbol here) or »=«? How do you even type those? I enjoyed perl 5. I'll still code in it for a quick script... but I'm finding myself leaning more and more to groovy for the scripts in part because I've been writing Java for the two decades rather than perl. I don't need the abilities that perl 6 provides and I wouldn't want my coworkers developing a DSL. Perl 6 brings a lot of interesting ideas to the table... but I don't want them in my code base.