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This is correct. Note that both of our founders are from the Firefox team originally. Our CTO, Brian Bondy, originally built the first Brave prototype on the Ge

This is correct. Note that both of our founders are from the Firefox team originally. Our CTO, Brian Bondy, originally built the first Brave prototype on the Gecko engine. Unfortunately, after much testing, it was clear that a modified Chromium would be the better route forward. You can imagine this was not a decision taken lightly, as both of these individuals have lived and breathed Gecko/Mozilla for years prior.

orblivion 7y ago
Would the story be different with Quantum now?
- BrendanEich 7y ago
  No, the decision was based on a spreadsheet with many items concerned with web compatibility, HTML5 DRM plugin free-as-in-beer, extension support, etc. Chromium without Google tracking is dominant, this is just a fact (it will change some day; not soon). The best way to counter this is not to die on the wrong hill (engine wars) right now -- it is to go a level up and fight for privacy and user sovereignty where Google cannot defend: blocking all tracking, paying users 70% of user private ad revenue.
  - lol768 7y ago
    > No, the decision was based on a spreadsheet with many items concerned with web compatibility, HTML5 DRM plugin free-as-in-beer, extension support, etc. This is a spreadsheet I'd be interested to see. Was this compiled before or after Firefox supported WebExtensions?
    - BrendanEich 7y ago
      This was in late 2015, but WebExtensions support in Firefox is never complete vs. Chrome, and you are ignoring DRM and all the other junk (gmeet screen sharing extension! ChromeCast! the list goes on... Chrome is the new IE, but at least most is open source or free as in beer).
      - xtracto 7y ago
        > or free as in beer IE was also free as in beer.
  - input_sh 7y ago
    "Fighting for privacy" and third-party ads do not belong in the same sentence.
    - Semaphor 7y ago
      While I don’t like Brave, from what I’ve read the ads are decided on locally, so no information is sent to the advertiser. Again, this is what I’ve heard.
      - reportgunner 7y ago
        Yes, perfect. I absolutely want to download ALL ads instead of NO ads.
        jonathansampson 7y ago
        With all due respect, that isn't how the solution works. Users must first opt-in to Brave Ads. Once they do, they download a regional catalog. This is a text document, compressed down to about 3 MB in size. Your machine (via on-board machine-learning) studies this for relevancy. When a relevant ad is found, you are given 70% of the revenue, and a notification is displayed on your operating system. You have control from the start, even over the frequency of ads you'll see within an hour.
        onyva 7y ago
        Why would anybody be interested in this? Content that depends on ad revenu especially written for it, is not worth consumption. The idea of solving a non existing problem is the problem with AdBuddy (AKA Brave). The way to go is ad and tracking blockers and let advertisers find a way to get to users without exploiting their ignorance. I don’t care and don’t need to build a relationship or accommodate a publisher. This is not what the internet of for.
    - codehalo 7y ago
      You are correct. That’s why it’s not in the sentence. Brave blocks third party ads by default.
  - deleted 7y ago
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Ididntdothis 7y ago
It doesn’t speak for Mozilla that even with these people Chromium turned out to be the better option.
- sp332 7y ago
  Mozilla has been admitting that Gecko is a huge drag since around the time they decided to break the extension model.
  - toyg 7y ago
    Actually, they have said so for much longer. The fact they started writing a completely new engine (Servo) in early 2012 was in itself an admission of defeat -- so many "embeddable Gecko" projects have been started and killed, over the years, that the only way forward is to replace with something new.
reportgunner 7y ago
>lived and breathed Gecko/Mozilla for years prior but they don't anymore ? So if someone lives and breathes policeman life and then becomes a drug dealer, is it just like buying drugs from a policeman ?

orblivion 7y ago

Would the story be different with Quantum now?

BrendanEich 7y ago
No, the decision was based on a spreadsheet with many items concerned with web compatibility, HTML5 DRM plugin free-as-in-beer, extension support, etc. Chromium without Google tracking is dominant, this is just a fact (it will change some day; not soon). The best way to counter this is not to die on the wrong hill (engine wars) right now -- it is to go a level up and fight for privacy and user sovereignty where Google cannot defend: blocking all tracking, paying users 70% of user private ad revenue.
- lol768 7y ago
  > No, the decision was based on a spreadsheet with many items concerned with web compatibility, HTML5 DRM plugin free-as-in-beer, extension support, etc. This is a spreadsheet I'd be interested to see. Was this compiled before or after Firefox supported WebExtensions?
  - BrendanEich 7y ago
    This was in late 2015, but WebExtensions support in Firefox is never complete vs. Chrome, and you are ignoring DRM and all the other junk (gmeet screen sharing extension! ChromeCast! the list goes on... Chrome is the new IE, but at least most is open source or free as in beer).
    - xtracto 7y ago
      > or free as in beer IE was also free as in beer.
- input_sh 7y ago
  "Fighting for privacy" and third-party ads do not belong in the same sentence.
  - Semaphor 7y ago
    While I don’t like Brave, from what I’ve read the ads are decided on locally, so no information is sent to the advertiser. Again, this is what I’ve heard.
    - reportgunner 7y ago
      Yes, perfect. I absolutely want to download ALL ads instead of NO ads.
      - jonathansampson 7y ago
        With all due respect, that isn't how the solution works. Users must first opt-in to Brave Ads. Once they do, they download a regional catalog. This is a text document, compressed down to about 3 MB in size. Your machine (via on-board machine-learning) studies this for relevancy. When a relevant ad is found, you are given 70% of the revenue, and a notification is displayed on your operating system. You have control from the start, even over the frequency of ads you'll see within an hour.
        onyva 7y ago
        Why would anybody be interested in this? Content that depends on ad revenu especially written for it, is not worth consumption. The idea of solving a non existing problem is the problem with AdBuddy (AKA Brave). The way to go is ad and tracking blockers and let advertisers find a way to get to users without exploiting their ignorance. I don’t care and don’t need to build a relationship or accommodate a publisher. This is not what the internet of for.
  - codehalo 7y ago
    You are correct. That’s why it’s not in the sentence. Brave blocks third party ads by default.
- deleted 7y ago
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Ididntdothis 7y ago

It doesn’t speak for Mozilla that even with these people Chromium turned out to be the better option.

sp332 7y ago
Mozilla has been admitting that Gecko is a huge drag since around the time they decided to break the extension model.
- toyg 7y ago
  Actually, they have said so for much longer. The fact they started writing a completely new engine (Servo) in early 2012 was in itself an admission of defeat -- so many "embeddable Gecko" projects have been started and killed, over the years, that the only way forward is to replace with something new.

reportgunner 7y ago

>lived and breathed Gecko/Mozilla for years prior but they don't anymore ? So if someone lives and breathes policeman life and then becomes a drug dealer, is it just like buying drugs from a policeman ?