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>if you dislike the App Store: Don't buy an Apple Device. Turns out Apple doesn't owe you shit I recall Microsoft using that defense once upon a time. IF you

>if you dislike the App Store: Don't buy an Apple Device. Turns out Apple doesn't owe you shit I recall Microsoft using that defense once upon a time. IF you don't like Explorer or Netscape, don't buy a PC. Turns out Microsoft doesn't owe you shit. However, it turns out Microsoft does owe consumers something, the Settlement is available for anyone who cares to know what that something is.

zaroth 7y ago
I wonder if there were distinguishing factors which make these cases unique. Like the fact that Microsoft had 90%+ desktop market share and was using it to shoe-horn an unrelated inferior product with powerful network effects into dominance. Whereas Apple has no monopoly and in fact their overall smartphone market share is falling. Let Apple compete how they want to compete, as long as there are viable competitors. Of which there are several. To look at the smartphone market and how far it’s come in the last 10 years and decide this is a space which needs anti-competitive enforcement action from the FTC is abusing monopoly law to obtain a political outcome.
- throwaway_law 7y ago
  >as long as there are viable competitors. Who are the viable competitors? It is Apple and Google/Android right? Everything else is the equivalent of Bing competing with Google Search. Keep in mind another MS defense was there is Mac and MacOS, we even build a IE for MacOS, therefore, we can't be a monopoly. >To look at the smartphone market and how far it’s come in the last 10 years Maybe there is a thriving competition in the smartphone OS market I am unaware of, but I thought maybe in the last 10 years the market went from MS, Blackberry, Apple, Google/Android...to more a consolidated market and effectively Apple and Google/Android. The political outcome is interesting, I haven't heard that before, what exactly are the politics involved with wanting Apple to allow a 3rd party app store?
- oarsinsync 7y ago
  > Let Apple compete how they want to compete, as long as there are viable competitors. Agreed. > Of which there are several. I count one (Google). Who are the others in the smartphone space that are viable competitors to Apple in either company's home market (USA)?
  - etripe 7y ago
    I'm not the person you replied to, but I suppose they mean competitors like Samsung, Motorola, Huawei and so on. It depends on whether you see a competitor as someone owning an app store or someone selling a physical device. I'm not sure "home markets" are really relevant for global entities like multinational companies.

zaroth 7y ago

I wonder if there were distinguishing factors which make these cases unique. Like the fact that Microsoft had 90%+ desktop market share and was using it to shoe-horn an unrelated inferior product with powerful network effects into dominance. Whereas Apple has no monopoly and in fact their overall smartphone market share is falling. Let Apple compete how they want to compete, as long as there are viable competitors. Of which there are several. To look at the smartphone market and how far it’s come in the last 10 years and decide this is a space which needs anti-competitive enforcement action from the FTC is abusing monopoly law to obtain a political outcome.

throwaway_law 7y ago
>as long as there are viable competitors. Who are the viable competitors? It is Apple and Google/Android right? Everything else is the equivalent of Bing competing with Google Search. Keep in mind another MS defense was there is Mac and MacOS, we even build a IE for MacOS, therefore, we can't be a monopoly. >To look at the smartphone market and how far it’s come in the last 10 years Maybe there is a thriving competition in the smartphone OS market I am unaware of, but I thought maybe in the last 10 years the market went from MS, Blackberry, Apple, Google/Android...to more a consolidated market and effectively Apple and Google/Android. The political outcome is interesting, I haven't heard that before, what exactly are the politics involved with wanting Apple to allow a 3rd party app store?
oarsinsync 7y ago
> Let Apple compete how they want to compete, as long as there are viable competitors. Agreed. > Of which there are several. I count one (Google). Who are the others in the smartphone space that are viable competitors to Apple in either company's home market (USA)?
- etripe 7y ago
  I'm not the person you replied to, but I suppose they mean competitors like Samsung, Motorola, Huawei and so on. It depends on whether you see a competitor as someone owning an app store or someone selling a physical device. I'm not sure "home markets" are really relevant for global entities like multinational companies.