Are you just trying to win an argument? Please look at what they actually do, and then maybe let's have a discussion about that. In any case I'm sure Mike is wa

Are you just trying to win an argument? Please look at what they actually do, and then maybe let's have a discussion about that. In any case I'm sure Mike is way more pragmatic than you imply, and couldn't care less about language labels as long as he can do his thing. Btw for extreme data-oriented programming you might actually be able to afford GC, provided you have value-type compound types like I think C# has. That's because there are only a few allocations around. Not that GC matters in this case - you don't free the global tables anyway except maybe at the end. And bounds checks might be easier to optimize out (?).