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I think the problem is deeper - their largest customer base probably cares about those things - have you seen how many people now days use MB for office work ?

I think the problem is deeper - their largest customer base probably cares about those things - have you seen how many people now days use MB for office work ? It became a status symbol, keyboard issues aside - they will be perfectly happy if their machine thermal throttles at 50% load because they never even hit 50% load. And it being thicker a few mm. to get proper thermals is a big deal to that audience (my impressions from talking to a few). I was unfortunate enough that I needed to get a Mac and since I wasn't paying I went for I9 2018 MBP with Vega - this thing sucks horribly - it overheats constantly, blows loudly, the OSX is very unstable - common freezes and getting my 5K thunderbolt monitor to work reliably is a PITA - pray it doesn't lockup on monitor plugin or that it detects the monitors USB hub without a restart - I had to go to a beta to get support for it when I bought it... And not to mention no touch option in a 4k$ device ! Lenovo X1 Carbon running windows is far superior experience for me. Also a big fan of Yoga line for more casual use - GF has one and going from random typing to tablet in bed or in chair is amazing and pair surfing with touch on a large screen is a great experience.

mcv 7y ago
I've been looking at Yoga devices, but holding one in tablet form, my fingers were groping in the keyboard on the back: not exactly comfortable. How is that experience for you? I'm strongly leaning towards a Thinkpad as replacement for my old Macbook, also because of their excellent keyboards. The only downside is that they don't have a 17" laptop without a separate GPU.
- rubber_duck 7y ago
  Did you try a model which retracts the keys when it folds ? You can still feel the keys but you cant press and its not as big deal. But don't expect real tabled experience - its too big for one hand use - the way we use it is like bed/couch browsing so we either post it up or something similar or we watch some shows on it. For example we are rebuilding our apartment right now and scrolling through pages/clicking images etc. together with touch on a large screen is amazing and especially cool in pair - one person can navigate but the other can just take over when they want. For shopping browsing it's amazing. Even in laptop mode I feel the touch is intuitive and useful, especially if you don't have a mouse - the experience is way better than a trackpad (even the MBP one).
  - mcv 7y ago
    I think only the Thinkpad X1 Yoga retracts its keys, right? I haven't been able to try that one yet, but I'm certainly hopeful it fixes this problem. I don't expect one-handed use from it. I'm interested in a very large tablet to read large PDFs without having to zoom, basically like it's regular A4 size paper. If that tablet can also turn into a laptop, then that's a nice bonus. Which model do you have?
    - criddell 7y ago
      I have an older S1 and it retracts its keys.

mcv 7y ago

I've been looking at Yoga devices, but holding one in tablet form, my fingers were groping in the keyboard on the back: not exactly comfortable. How is that experience for you? I'm strongly leaning towards a Thinkpad as replacement for my old Macbook, also because of their excellent keyboards. The only downside is that they don't have a 17" laptop without a separate GPU.

rubber_duck 7y ago
Did you try a model which retracts the keys when it folds ? You can still feel the keys but you cant press and its not as big deal. But don't expect real tabled experience - its too big for one hand use - the way we use it is like bed/couch browsing so we either post it up or something similar or we watch some shows on it. For example we are rebuilding our apartment right now and scrolling through pages/clicking images etc. together with touch on a large screen is amazing and especially cool in pair - one person can navigate but the other can just take over when they want. For shopping browsing it's amazing. Even in laptop mode I feel the touch is intuitive and useful, especially if you don't have a mouse - the experience is way better than a trackpad (even the MBP one).
- mcv 7y ago
  I think only the Thinkpad X1 Yoga retracts its keys, right? I haven't been able to try that one yet, but I'm certainly hopeful it fixes this problem. I don't expect one-handed use from it. I'm interested in a very large tablet to read large PDFs without having to zoom, basically like it's regular A4 size paper. If that tablet can also turn into a laptop, then that's a nice bonus. Which model do you have?
  - criddell 7y ago
    I have an older S1 and it retracts its keys.