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I don't know this particular case, but "malware" seems to be used to describe "adware" these days by some blogs to generate more clicks. Android is just as sec

I don't know this particular case, but "malware" seems to be used to describe "adware" these days by some blogs to generate more clicks. Android is just as secure/unsecure as iOS. Some recent "malware" campaigns targeted both platforms but in general Apple silently removes them while Android gets scrutinized to death. Edit: to answer your questions, these apps still operate within the limits of the sandbox. Which is maybe a reason the term "malware" should not be used.

scarface74 7y ago
This is clearly not the case. Not only is Android’s permission system more permissive, most Android phones don’t get updates as frequently and definitely not as far long as iOS.
- lern_too_spel 7y ago
  > most Android phones don’t get updates as frequently and definitely not as far long as iOS. This is irrelevant. Most phones period don't get updates frequently. Does that mean you shouldn't buy any phone? No, you should buy a phone that does get updated, and there are plenty of Android options.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    IOS 12 supports devices back to 2013. How many Android devices get support that far back? Apple also released an OS update in July of this year for iPhones back to the iPhone 4S from 2011. https://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/19/07/22/apple-issues-ios-936-and-ios-1034-updates-for-older-iphone-and-ipad-models https://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/19/07/22/apple-issu...
    - lern_too_spel 7y ago
      > How many Android devices get support that far back? Also irrelevant. Most people don't use phones that old. If they upgrade devices on a normal schedule, there are plenty of Android devices that will get updated during that time. Even better, their system apps will also get updated at an even higher frequency during that time transparently, while iOS users have to wait for an OS update and reboot their devices. This is an issue with highly vulnerable apps like iMessage and Safari.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        Also irrelevant. Most people don't use phones that old. There is a vibrant official second hand market for iPhones where people sell their phones and the hand me down market. It really helps when you can still use an older device with the newest operating system. Anecdotally, my son is still using my circa 2015 iPhone 6s with the latest OS. According to many benchmarks, it was faster than high end Android phones up until 2018 and is still faster than mid tier Android phones. Also the length of time that people are keeping their phones is almost three years (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/43ejej/study-smartphone-iphone-trade-in-age-apple-event-2018 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/43ejej/study-smartphone-i...). That’s longer than you can get support for most Android phones. Even better, their system apps will also get updated at an even higher frequency during that time transparently, while iOS users have to wait for an OS update and reboot their devices. This is an issue with highly vulnerable apps like iMessage and Safari. Well fortunately we have statistics about how many iOS users are running the latest OS compared to Android users from the prospective companies. We know that your conjecture is probably false.
        lern_too_spel 7y ago
        > There is a vibrant official second hand market for iPhones where people sell their phones and the hand me down market. Irrelevant. I'm not buying from the second hand market. If you want to push that benefit, push it on somebody who will. > We know that your conjecture is probably false. We know I'm right. It takes weeks for iOS users to update their phones if iMessage or Safari has an update. On Android, the SMS and browser apps updates automatically without the user noticing. For the phones that receive system updates, the statistics show they update just as quickly on Android as on iOS. For users who upgrade devices frequently like me, these Android devices are strictly better than iOS devices in security.
        scarface74 7y ago
        Irrelevant. I'm not buying from the second hand market. If you want to push that benefit, push it on somebody who will. It might come as a surprise, but the world doesn’t revolve around you and this is a general discussion forum... We know I'm right. It takes weeks for iOS users to update their phones if iMessage or Safari has an update. Do you have statistics? For users who upgrade devices frequently like me, these Android devices are strictly better than iOS devices in security. Well, since I couldn’t find any statistics about HN users named “lern_too_spel”, I had to rely on information I could find on the internet....
- panpanna 7y ago
  In modern Android phones, the core system is updated one a month [if needed - which is often the case during the first year]. Android applications (including things like mail and browser) and a large part of the OS is updated immediately via the store. The permission system is being updated and apps are being rejected for bad user of permissions (check Reddit for the SMS permission stories)
  - scarface74 7y ago
    And as far as the parts of the OS that don’t get updates?

scarface74 7y ago

This is clearly not the case. Not only is Android’s permission system more permissive, most Android phones don’t get updates as frequently and definitely not as far long as iOS.

lern_too_spel 7y ago
> most Android phones don’t get updates as frequently and definitely not as far long as iOS. This is irrelevant. Most phones period don't get updates frequently. Does that mean you shouldn't buy any phone? No, you should buy a phone that does get updated, and there are plenty of Android options.
- scarface74 7y ago
  IOS 12 supports devices back to 2013. How many Android devices get support that far back? Apple also released an OS update in July of this year for iPhones back to the iPhone 4S from 2011. https://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/19/07/22/apple-issues-ios-936-and-ios-1034-updates-for-older-iphone-and-ipad-models https://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/19/07/22/apple-issu...
  - lern_too_spel 7y ago
    > How many Android devices get support that far back? Also irrelevant. Most people don't use phones that old. If they upgrade devices on a normal schedule, there are plenty of Android devices that will get updated during that time. Even better, their system apps will also get updated at an even higher frequency during that time transparently, while iOS users have to wait for an OS update and reboot their devices. This is an issue with highly vulnerable apps like iMessage and Safari.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      Also irrelevant. Most people don't use phones that old. There is a vibrant official second hand market for iPhones where people sell their phones and the hand me down market. It really helps when you can still use an older device with the newest operating system. Anecdotally, my son is still using my circa 2015 iPhone 6s with the latest OS. According to many benchmarks, it was faster than high end Android phones up until 2018 and is still faster than mid tier Android phones. Also the length of time that people are keeping their phones is almost three years (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/43ejej/study-smartphone-iphone-trade-in-age-apple-event-2018 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/43ejej/study-smartphone-i...). That’s longer than you can get support for most Android phones. Even better, their system apps will also get updated at an even higher frequency during that time transparently, while iOS users have to wait for an OS update and reboot their devices. This is an issue with highly vulnerable apps like iMessage and Safari. Well fortunately we have statistics about how many iOS users are running the latest OS compared to Android users from the prospective companies. We know that your conjecture is probably false.
      - lern_too_spel 7y ago
        > There is a vibrant official second hand market for iPhones where people sell their phones and the hand me down market. Irrelevant. I'm not buying from the second hand market. If you want to push that benefit, push it on somebody who will. > We know that your conjecture is probably false. We know I'm right. It takes weeks for iOS users to update their phones if iMessage or Safari has an update. On Android, the SMS and browser apps updates automatically without the user noticing. For the phones that receive system updates, the statistics show they update just as quickly on Android as on iOS. For users who upgrade devices frequently like me, these Android devices are strictly better than iOS devices in security.
        scarface74 7y ago
        Irrelevant. I'm not buying from the second hand market. If you want to push that benefit, push it on somebody who will. It might come as a surprise, but the world doesn’t revolve around you and this is a general discussion forum... We know I'm right. It takes weeks for iOS users to update their phones if iMessage or Safari has an update. Do you have statistics? For users who upgrade devices frequently like me, these Android devices are strictly better than iOS devices in security. Well, since I couldn’t find any statistics about HN users named “lern_too_spel”, I had to rely on information I could find on the internet....
panpanna 7y ago
In modern Android phones, the core system is updated one a month [if needed - which is often the case during the first year]. Android applications (including things like mail and browser) and a large part of the OS is updated immediately via the store. The permission system is being updated and apps are being rejected for bad user of permissions (check Reddit for the SMS permission stories)
- scarface74 7y ago
  And as far as the parts of the OS that don’t get updates?