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Ironically you are giving Google to much credit. There is no real way to improve enforcement. At this insane scale, and with the extreme level of sophistication

Ironically you are giving Google to much credit. There is no real way to improve enforcement. At this insane scale, and with the extreme level of sophistication from scammers, and the privacy expectation from users it‘s almost impossible to do more than they are. Someone else said it further up. They can‘t just let employees snoop around in personably identifying data. Nor would you want that, right? The fact is, as bad as Google is sometimes about user privacy and „borg behavior“. Their adversaries (malvertising, spammers, clickfarms, bot-armies, state actors) are so committed to manipulating humans for money and/or influence, that they must be hindered wherever possible. It‘s the war for attention. And it‘s only going to get more intense.

jacquesm 7y ago
If good and ordinary users are going to be collateral damage then that war is already lost.
ocdtrekkie 7y ago
The problem here is the assumption that scaling up is inherently good and okay, and not being able to enforce good behavior at a certain scale is just an unfortunate and unavoidable result. If enforcement can't be managed at that scale, things of that scale should be shut down. Platforms are not an inherent good.
- v7p1Qbt1im 7y ago
  I don’t know. Take YouTube. For all its faults, it has enabled countless people to make a living, or helped artists get noticed. I personally feel having the option for everyone to publish content without prohibitive cost or other barriers is a massive achievement. Sure you could go back to selfhosting. But monetization and, more importantly, discovery will not work that way. Or we go back to the days of yesteryear with vetted and sanitized gatekeepers (also beholden to advertisers) in place. So yeah. Until there is a empathetic, nuanced AGI/ASI in charge of policing content there’s not gonna be a good solution. That might take longer than a while.

jacquesm 7y ago

If good and ordinary users are going to be collateral damage then that war is already lost.

ocdtrekkie 7y ago

The problem here is the assumption that scaling up is inherently good and okay, and not being able to enforce good behavior at a certain scale is just an unfortunate and unavoidable result. If enforcement can't be managed at that scale, things of that scale should be shut down. Platforms are not an inherent good.

v7p1Qbt1im 7y ago
I don’t know. Take YouTube. For all its faults, it has enabled countless people to make a living, or helped artists get noticed. I personally feel having the option for everyone to publish content without prohibitive cost or other barriers is a massive achievement. Sure you could go back to selfhosting. But monetization and, more importantly, discovery will not work that way. Or we go back to the days of yesteryear with vetted and sanitized gatekeepers (also beholden to advertisers) in place. So yeah. Until there is a empathetic, nuanced AGI/ASI in charge of policing content there’s not gonna be a good solution. That might take longer than a while.