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John Carmack on the Joe Rogan Experience [video]

741 points by sexy_seedbox 7y ago

infiniteseeker 7y ago
The legend himself. Waiting for this one for a few days.
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AlchemistCamp 7y ago
How is it that this post is ranked 77 with 52 points in 3 hours and only one comment??? Meanwhile "Exploring Weight Agnostic Neural Networks" is at #2 with the same age and only 46 points... If people are flagging something like this that's so directly in the sweet spot of "interesting to hackers" and non-flamewar inducing as this, then I hope the mods aren't asleep at the wheel!
- bananocurrency 7y ago
  I don't think Carmack is the problem here.
  - emsy 7y ago
    What's the problem with Joe Rogan?
    - kibibu 7y ago
      A common complaint with Joe Rogan is that he gives a platform and an audience to assholes like Gavin McInnes and Alex Jones.
      - gigatexal 7y ago
        Giving Alex Jones a platform is one thing but a bigger problem is people that believe the nonsense he speaks. When did society become the collective brain for everyone? It’s on the individual to figure stuff out for him or herself. Joe is a heavily left leaning (socially) capitalist, he seems to me to be very libertarian. I bet there’s a number of Silicon Valley engineers who lean the same way except maybe for his stance on guns. He has everyone on his show. “Crazy” people to the mainstream. And in any case it’s his show you’re free to not give it patronage.
        h0h0h0h0111 7y ago
        In fairness though, a lot of Alex Jones's detractors probably have never _actually_ watched him though, aside from selected clips from their media outlet of choice (likely bashing him); so I think having him on something somewhat mainstream like Joe Rogan's podcast gives the average person a chance to listen to him and decide for themselves that he's batshit crazy without having it spoonfed to them by another source.
      - skrebbel 7y ago
        This is a correct observation, stated drily without any opinion mixed in. I don't understand why people downvoted you. EDIT: I read over the word "assholes". Not drily at all.
      - dhyft 7y ago
        People I don't like are talking :'( :'(
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      - LandR 7y ago
        Do people not realise how dangerous a viewpoint this is, to stop people you don't agree with talking / deplatforming. How do the left not realise how authoritiarian they actually are in this regard? And making someone out to be a right wing nazi because of who they spoke to on their show is madness. I'm not even sure it's honest on the part of these people, I think they know Joe Rogan isnt some right wing nazi but they say it just to fit in with their "group".
      - lagadu 7y ago
        How is it a bad thing that he promotes the free exchange and presentation of ideas?
        TheBranca18 7y ago
        It's a bad thing to promote people such as McInnes, who if they had control of the world would prevent such free exchange and presentation of ideas and would kill minorities. It's his show so obviously he's free to do what he wants, but I think one of the most popular podcasts in the world should show restraint when presenting people who are neo-fascists. This normalization isn't helpful and I feel strongly that people such as McInnes should be deplatformed, and he has on places such as Twitter, as studies have shown it to be the best way to stop the propagation of such harmful ideas.
        anon12345690 7y ago
        sounds like you dont know who gavin is then why dont you watch the episode with him and learn for yourself thats why its not good to deplatform people you dont like because other people told you not to like them
        TheBranca18 7y ago
        It's increasingly clear that I have less in common with many on Hacker News when these types of responses are considered valuable. > sounds like you dont know who gavin is then This is directly from Wikipedia. > McInnes was a leading figure in the hipster subculture while at Vice, being labelled as the "godfather" of hipsterdom. After leaving the company in 2008, he became increasingly known for his far-right political views. He is the founder of the Proud Boys, a neo-fascist men's group classified as a "general hate" organization by the Southern Poverty Law Center. I called him a neo-fascist, I'd love to know what makes you conclude I don't know who he is. > why dont you watch the episode with him and learn for yourself That's not learning for myself, learning for myself is consulting various sources and investigating things he said and actions he's done. Not hearing a milquetoast description of his views from the man himself that aren't being challenged. > thats why its not good to deplatform people you dont like because other people told you not to like them Why would you jump to this? What in my response told you that someone else told me not to like him? McInnes screaming the n word the way he has in the past among many of his other actions makes me not like him. Edit: I'm also clueless as to how my response was directly to the main thread as there was a deeper thread I was trying to respond to originally. Not sure what went on there.
      - dlivingston 7y ago
        The best rebuttal to the idea of 'deplatforming' is from John Stuart Mills, in On Liberty: > “He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.”
    - SquareWheel 7y ago
      I don't know about his recent activity, but he does have a history of pushing conspiracy theories. Most notably he claimed the moon landing was a hoax. That alone has put me off watching his show (as much as I enjoy hearing Carmack speak).
      - nailer 7y ago
        > I don't know about his recent activity, but he does has a history of pushing conspiracy theories. Most notably he claimed the moon landing was a hoax. I subscribe to JRE and this watch it regularly. Rogan has not recently pushed the moon landing was a hoax. I'm not sure where you got that information. Rogan has discussed how he used to think the moon landing was a hoax many years ago and now thinks the moon landing happened. Rogan also talks about how most conspiracy theorists are sad, lonely people.
        SquareWheel 7y ago
        >Rogan has not recently pushed the moon landing was a hoax. I'm not sure where you got that information. You're changing what I said. I said that he previously pushed the view. It's also not hard to find evidence of that. Here's the first result of a Google search where he claims NASA's footage was faked. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_KT7YlVuKI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_KT7YlVuKI e: Here's a video debating the topic with Phil Plait. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA3ED2E5D5A8D72CD https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA3ED2E5D5A8D72CD
        nailer 7y ago
        > You're changing what I said. Your comment "Most notably he claimed the moon landing was a hoax." is vague about whether Rogan recently has stated the moon landing is a hoax. I've added your full quote in my reply to let people judge for themselves. Further: > pushed the moon landing was a hoax. is not the same as: > It's also not hard to find evidence of that... he claims NASA's footage was faked He does believe some of the footage was faked - there are indeed inconsistencies there that aren't very well explained. That's not the same thing as believing the moon landing didn't occur, which was Joe back in Fear Factor / NewsRadio era. He's 52 now.
  - PavlovsCat 7y ago
    Useres flagging stories so others don't see them, rather than using the "hide" feature so they don't see them, is the problem.
- paggle 7y ago
  There are probably a lot of Joe Rogan reflexive downvoters because gasp he had some less-than-Carmackian guests on his show.
  - drak0n1c 7y ago
    Those who reflexively dislike Rogan may not like Carmack's politics either. Carmack generally keeps quiet on politics but the few times he touches the subject when discussing books or philosophy on Twitter he's been quite libertarian.
  - AlchemistCamp 7y ago
    HN doesn't have down votes for stories AFIK. People are probably abusing the flag feature over 2nd degree associations that don't come up at all in this video.
- jayd16 7y ago
  HN usually hates videos.
- nailer 7y ago
  > If people are flagging something like this that's so directly in the sweet spot of "interesting to hackers" and non-flamewar inducing as this, then I hope the mods aren't asleep at the wheel! Exactly. Flags of this article would be a good indicator for dang / sctb to make HN ignore flags from these HN accounts in future.
AlchemistCamp 7y ago
It's really great how he pushed so hard to open source the previous generation of each game when releasing a new one. It's hard to tell how much that pushed the industry forward, but I'm sure a lot of people became better C programmers as a result. The "smell in VR" kits in this interview were interesting. I hadn't realized so much progress had been made on that front (or that it would take so much to make it as convincing as visual input).
- pizza234 7y ago
  > but I'm sure a lot of people became better C programmers as a result. A lot of people also became professional [level] designers because of his works - Doom was innotivative, among the many things, in the fact that it was designed from the ground up for extension (modding).
  - jasonwatkinspdx 7y ago
    Yup. I worked on a few doomed game projects in the late 90's. The quake tools were where a lot of people started learning. Unreal was a huge step as well, as the editor had a lot better ux. I shifted out of doing level design work, but some of the people I worked with ended up on the Medal of Honor team.
  - badocr 7y ago
    Indeed, and Valve hired a bunch of people from the Doom/Quake modding scene for Half-Life 1.
    - pfranz 7y ago
      Valve's engine was also based off and licensed from Quake's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldSrc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldSrc
- coldtea 7y ago
  >The "smell in VR" kits in this interview were interesting. I hadn't realized so much progress had been made on that front (or that it would take so much to make it as convincing as visual input) Well, we had smell-o-vision for a loooong time... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smell-O-Vision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smell-O-Vision
plugger 7y ago
Do they spend much time talking about Armadillo and/or rocketry? I'm curious to hear Carmack talk about those topics but I'm not sure I want to wade through 2 1/2 hours of Rogan if he doesn't delve into rocketry.
- mifreewil 7y ago
  Starts right about here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlMSe5-zP8&feature=youtu.be&t=7856 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlMSe5-zP8&feature=youtu.be... 2:10:56
  - elamje 7y ago
    This part through the end is pretty incredible! He’s a nonstop stream of intellect.
    - mifreewil 7y ago
      The entire podcast is like this, highly recommend the entire episode.
  - plugger 7y ago
    Thank you so much!
gigatexal 7y ago
For those of you skipping to the heavily programming heavy parts I’d heartily suggest listening to the whole thing. There’s a lot in there about life, balance, working conditions in gaming, the need for sleep, martial arts, etc. Lots of topics are discussed. It’s a great episode.
- MS90 7y ago
  And twin-turbo'ing a Testarossa to 1009 hp AT THE WHEELS
adnzzzzZ 7y ago
Interesting perspective on work-life balance, certainly contrary to the usual discussion online on these issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlMSe5-zP8&t=1h27m10s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlMSe5-zP8&t=1h27m10s
SamReidHughes 7y ago
If you’ve ever watched a QuakeCon talk, this is pretty much what you’d expect. The one thing of note that I disagree with is his opinion on general AI. I think that could take centuries, and that it’s kind of like trying to predict when some unsolved math problem will be solved.
- soup10 7y ago
  There is no real evidence that computers can be programmed to intelligently invent and act on their own thought processes. All notable AI techniques to date specify in exhausting detail the thought processes that the AI should execute in carefully constructed algorithms. We're getting closer to the point where we can tell the computer to "think and act like a human" and in more and more domains it succeeds. But we're as far as ever from "think for yourself".
  - cakoose 7y ago
    > All notable AI techniques to date specify in exhausting detail the thought processes that the AI should execute in carefully constructed algorithms. I'm not knowledgeable about AI, but from some of of the game-playing AI research I've read about, it seems like we provide in exhaustive detail the rules and objectives and the AI figures out (though a very resource-hungry process) an "algorithm" (e.g. encoded as a neural network) to play the game well. I'm not saying that's close to human thought, but it seems far beyond having to "specify in exhausting detail the thought processes that the AI should execute in carefully constructed algorithms."
  - tosh 7y ago
    Jürgen Schmidhuber w/ Lex Fridman talk about AI & consciousness: https://youtu.be/3FIo6evmweo https://youtu.be/3FIo6evmweo
  - empath75 7y ago
    Any intelligent process has to emerge from the action of non-intelligent components. Your argument is the same as saying that a hurricane could never form because air molecules do not contain wind, and water molecules do not contain rain.
tosh 7y ago
On open sourcing Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake: https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=591 https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=591 Neuralink: https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=2523 https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=2523 Artificial General Intelligence: https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=2778 https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=2778 Quantum Computing: https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=3106 https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=3106 “Engineering is figuring out how to do what you want with what you’ve actually got”: https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=3190 https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=3190 End of Moore’s Law / On CPU architecture: https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=3860 https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=3860 5G and streaming (games & video): https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=4288 https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=4288 edit: like already mentioned there are a lot of topics covered, some even for just a few sentences, the conversation flows, worth watching the whole thing
- Nokinside 7y ago
  Carmack briefly mentions 5G and streaming games. I think there is good economic reason for the 5G gaming is eventually coming (it may take some time) because low latency enables it. If you think about the price of gaming PC or console, there is huge discrepancy between the budget of hardcore gaming enthusiast and casual gamer. It would be nice to get $5000 gaming tower in every house, but you don't. Many casual gamers would rent $5000 - $10,000 worth of gaming hardware for few hours a week it was simple. Only way to get bleeding edge high-end gaming to masses is to put GPU and some other parts to the edge (or at least within the same city) and stream or partially stream the game to cheaper computer device and screens. Consider $5,000 worth of bleeding edge hardware that costs $1/hour to run. If you rent it for $8/hour, and it only sells for 5 hours per day for gaming, the HW pays itself back in 5 months. It could be rented out for other stuff in the meantime. Cloudflare, what do you think? I could see a market emerging similar to school VHS/DVD/Game rentals. There is limited computational resource near you and you can rent it for gaming. If all is taken (weekend evenings) the 'shelves' are empty. On working/school days and hours you get the same thing cheaper. It probably happens in Japan, South Korea and Nordic countries first.
  - novocaine 7y ago
    Those countries already have fibre - are you saying 5g is better than fibre for streaming gaming?
sexy_seedbox 7y ago
For those who don't have time to watch/listen to the whole podcast (you should though), you can get the highlights on Joe Rogan's other channel, JRE Clips: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnxGkOGNMqQEUMvroOWps6Q/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnxGkOGNMqQEUMvroOWps6Q/vid...
Nokinside 7y ago
Carmack makes good point about VR in the beginning. For people who live in tight spaces VR can be way to do conventional things like watch films and YouTube. This kind of conventional use could be what bootstraps VR markets. VR headset tech is in a weird situation where none of them is really good enough, but when you test the best in the market it destroys the enjoyment you get from previous generation. I tested 20 minutes $6000 Vario VR-1 where the market is professional use and now anything consumer grade feels like total crap.
- dalbasal 7y ago
  I'm not betting my whole stack on it, but I would bet some on the idea that an imminent breakthrough/killer-app for consumer VR will be exercise. Could be VR gyms. Could be home use. Take a current-gen oculus/etc. Add a heart rate monitor, foot tracking, maybe weighted controllers... you have some excellent workout potential. If price can get to <$300, they will sell A lot of the top games atm (beat saber, superhot, boxvr) are pretty exercise-ey. Combining gamified fun/addictiveness, in-home convenience & all the advantages of digitization (eg adjust speed in response to heart rate)... I reckon it will be effective. We're not far from it. An exercise-centric home VR console and/or VR gyms...
  - buboard 7y ago
    > VR will be exercise. Could be VR gyms It s an interesting idea but about the worst situation i can think of. Not only will i be sweating, i 'll be vigorously moving , exacerbating any vestibular reflexes, shifting the headset on my head, and risking getting injured. I think anything that requires too much physical interaction is a bad candidate for VR. My idea of VR is that it amplifies any minute movement of my fingers magically. That feels empowering
    - Ajedi32 7y ago
      There are already a lot of great games in VR that make you sweat. It's actually not bad at all. Sweat is easily dealt with if you purchase a washable faceplate cover, and there are no simulator sickness issues created by moving around physically with a 6DoF headset, since the view in-game perfectly mirrors your movement in the real world. The headset can shift around slightly on your head, but I've found that's only really an issue if you turn your head complete upside down. Aside from that, slight shifts are barely noticeable provided the headset is strapped on correctly. I do agree that actually using gym equipment in VR would be rather difficult to do safely, unless the equipment itself was actually tracked and displayed in-game.
Insanity 7y ago
For those interested in the development of Doom (And Wolf3D, Keen, ..), or the story of iD software in general, I quite recommend reading "Masters of Doom". https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/222146.Masters_of_Doom?from_search=true https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/222146.Masters_of_Doom?f... Coincidentally, I just started re-reading it last week. It's quite a fun book :)
- dagurp 7y ago
  It might become a TV show https://www.slashfilm.com/masters-of-doom-series/ https://www.slashfilm.com/masters-of-doom-series/
- lpellis 7y ago
  Very fun book indeed, the audiobook is also very good. (narrated by Wil Wheaton) https://www.audible.com/pd/Masters-of-Doom-Audiobook/B008K8BQG6 https://www.audible.com/pd/Masters-of-Doom-Audiobook/B008K8B...
  - panpanna 7y ago
    I find Will Wheaton's audiobook narration very annoying. Stopped reading Red Shirts because of his childish voice acting.
    - lpellis 7y ago
      I can definitely see him becoming annoying for some contexts, but for this book I found his exciting enthusiasm perfect, reminded me of that early university/student energy.
    - Mountain_Skies 7y ago
      He was very good at narrating his autobiography. Also liked his reading of Ready Player One but other than those two books, he does tend to be a bad choice for narration. Comparing the Amber Benson reading of Lock In to the Wheaton reading makes this even more obvious.
- tus88 7y ago
hd4 7y ago
Getting the "Your browser does not currently recognize the formats" error, using FF 68.0.2 on Ubuntu.
shayolden 7y ago
Nice to see Team Fortress (Quake 1 mod) get a shout out. 23 years later, we've still got a team developing and playing it. https://www.fortressone.org/ https://www.fortressone.org/
- drzel 7y ago
  Burgeoning community at https://discord.fortressone.org https://discord.fortressone.org
- bdickason 7y ago
  I hadn’t heard about this project, thanks for sharing!!! QWTF was one of my first competitive games and I loved making custom maps for it.
  - drzel 7y ago
    Map making for Quake has come a long way with Trenchbroom. We're always looking for more maps - join the discord and say hello!
- cptnapalm 7y ago
  Played a bit of TF in 1998. A few weeks later, I went to see Saving Private Ryan. The opening D-Day imagery of the film produced the spontaneous comparison, "it's just like Team Fortress." 21 years later, I still recall that.
sidcool 7y ago
John Carmack is one of the most eloquent programmers I have heard.
- Sholmesy 7y ago
  Agreed. I love that he doesn't dumb himself down but still manages to make the content relatable/understandable.
- lucaspottersky 7y ago
  yeah, but he could take a breath every once in a while
  - sidcool 7y ago
    He programmed his nostrils to breathe in parallel.
Sholmesy 7y ago
John Carmack is the perfect ultra nerd for this format. He's so good at communicating complex ideas, to the point that even less-informed people will enjoy this podcast. Dude's a hero.
S_A_P 7y ago
John is like many of the people Ive met that have no problem conveying a lot of dense information quickly and easily and avoiding speech patterns that are overly technical and difficult to understand. Some of the most intelligent people I know are able to do that. That is a very underrated skill that I wish I had. I forever stumble on words when Im explaining something complicated/technical. Its like a cognitive dissonance that I am fighting between saying technical jargon and dumb-ing down to layman's terms. Im sure being on the other end of that it is perceived as condescending or just that I dont know what Im talking about.
- that_jojo 7y ago
  How did I leave this comment here without any memory of doing it?
- orblivion 7y ago
  One issue I have is that I can't bullshit people. I had a friend who I was trying to explain things to, and often I made it too complicated. Another friend explained it to her satisfaction, but I thought the particular explanation given was deceiving. And yet she didn't care. I think it is possible to be honest and yet simplify things to whatever level, but I'd rather fail at explaining than give a false explanation.
  - splatzone 7y ago
    I find it's good to let people know that 'it's actually a bit more complicated than this, but...'
    - thinkmassive 7y ago
      To illustrate this I like to use the analogy of very basic physics. Even someone who never took calculus can usually grasp the concept of first learning ideal velocity and acceleration, then adding details like friction.
  - newnewpdro 7y ago
    I'm similar, but have learned to just be more iterative when explaining complex topics. Start with the simplest conveyance, which usually is riddled with the most bullshit. If you don't lose them, just add the corrections, if there are too many, only add some of the corrections, rinse, repeat.
coding123 7y ago
Why was this flagged and deleted yesterday. Anyway def awesome well worth watching
0-_-0 7y ago
For those interested in all of Carmack's clever hacks in the Wolfenstein and Doom source code that made it possible to run these games on PCs of the day, the Game Engine Black Books are a great read (they are also free): http://fabiensanglard.net/gebb/index.html http://fabiensanglard.net/gebb/index.html
leftyted 7y ago
He talks about AGI at https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=2776 https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=2776 I wonder if all the really smart people who think AGI is around the corner know something I don't. Well, clearly they know a lot of things that I don't, but I wonder if there's some decisive piece of information I'm missing. I'm a "strict materialist" too, but that doesn't mean I think we can build a brain or a sun or a planet or etc within X years, it just means that I think it's technically possible to build those things. I don't see how we get from "neural net that's really good at identifying objects" to "general intelligence". The emphasis on computational power also makes no sense to me. If we had infinite compute today, what steps would you take to build AGI? Does anyone have any good ideas about that? Sometimes I wonder if AGI (and the concept of a "technological singularity") isn't just "intelligent design for people with north of 140 IQ". Maybe really smart people tend to develop a blindspot for really hard problems (because they've solved so many of them so effectively).
- mordymoop 7y ago
  The problem here seems to be that you think the state of the art resembles “being really good at identifying objects”. This makes it clear that you are not keeping up with the frontier. I recommend looking up DeepMind’s 2019 papers, they are easily discoverable. When you read them, you will probably update in the direction of “AGI soon”. It’s possible that you won’t see what the big deal is, I suppose. I personally see what Carmack and others see, a feasible path to generality, and even some specific promising precursors to generality. It also helps to be familiar with the most current cognitive neuroscience papers, but that’s asking a lot.
  - fulafel 7y ago
    Link to DeepMind's papers: https://deepmind.com/research?filters=%7B%22collection%22:%5B%22Publications%22%5D%7D https://deepmind.com/research?filters=%7B%22collection%22:%5...
  - scep12 7y ago
    What are some of the highlights from DeepMind that gives you optimism for a path to AGI? I am not seeing it, personally.
decoyworker 7y ago
I can't believe Joe Rogan gives extremists like this guy a platform! /s
ur-whale 7y ago
Not directly related, but everytime John's name pops up, it always reminds me of one of his quotes: "Damn spooky analog crap." -- John Carmack
- ovi256 7y ago
  Any context for this quote ? Google didn't find anything behind people using it in their email signature.
brexiteer 7y ago
People hate on Joe Rogan but I think he is an excellent host, the podcast has people from all perspectives on and he manages not to offend any of them, most come on subsequent episodes. I'll take a Rogan interview over some opinionated bullshit clip from CNN/MSNBC/FOX.
- stronglikedan 7y ago
  People hate on him because he's an excellent host, and his lack of "outrage" on controversial topics goes against the fiber of their beings.
  - bananocurrency 7y ago
    Ah yes, people dislike him because he's too good! Not because he enables nationalists for revenue and prods conspiracy theories. No way! He's just an average Joe like us! Him hosting Fear Factor reminded me of my reality TV hosting days.
    - quantdev 7y ago
      Why shouldn't we hear what nationalists have to say? Who gets to decide what is a conspiracy theory? They're not all as simply false as flat earth. Keto in the low-fat 90s would have been a conspiracy theory and a culture of censorship would have killed it. We need many groups of people believing different things and civilly arguing for what's correct. We don't need de-platforming or cancelling - that can only lead to groupthink and groupthink is incredibly dangerous: see the housing crisis or the Nazis.
  - drngdds 7y ago
    What you call a "lack of outrage on controversial topics" would be more accurately called "unwillingness to seriously challenge the terrible ideas he gives a platform to"
    - proc0 7y ago
      His job is not to challenge his guest's ideas, it is precisely to give them a platform. Weak people are afraid of ideas and thus dislike this very notion.
body_lump 7y ago
I liked so much the video. Pretty interesting.
seph-reed 7y ago
What if attaching digital inputs to our neurons and self hacking is the major leap that will bring AGI out?
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davidjnelson 7y ago
Really enjoyed that one!!! Fascinating to hear his story of how he pushed to open source games... and how they started with allowing modding, then custom scripting support, then open source. “The business folks didn’t like it” :-)
heisnotanalien 7y ago
Everyone is already a phone head. Can't say I am looking forward to everyone being a VR head.

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infiniteseeker 7y ago

The legend himself. Waiting for this one for a few days.

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AlchemistCamp 7y ago

How is it that this post is ranked 77 with 52 points in 3 hours and only one comment??? Meanwhile "Exploring Weight Agnostic Neural Networks" is at #2 with the same age and only 46 points... If people are flagging something like this that's so directly in the sweet spot of "interesting to hackers" and non-flamewar inducing as this, then I hope the mods aren't asleep at the wheel!

bananocurrency 7y ago
I don't think Carmack is the problem here.
- emsy 7y ago
  What's the problem with Joe Rogan?
  - kibibu 7y ago
    A common complaint with Joe Rogan is that he gives a platform and an audience to assholes like Gavin McInnes and Alex Jones.
    - gigatexal 7y ago
      Giving Alex Jones a platform is one thing but a bigger problem is people that believe the nonsense he speaks. When did society become the collective brain for everyone? It’s on the individual to figure stuff out for him or herself. Joe is a heavily left leaning (socially) capitalist, he seems to me to be very libertarian. I bet there’s a number of Silicon Valley engineers who lean the same way except maybe for his stance on guns. He has everyone on his show. “Crazy” people to the mainstream. And in any case it’s his show you’re free to not give it patronage.
      - h0h0h0h0111 7y ago
        In fairness though, a lot of Alex Jones's detractors probably have never _actually_ watched him though, aside from selected clips from their media outlet of choice (likely bashing him); so I think having him on something somewhat mainstream like Joe Rogan's podcast gives the average person a chance to listen to him and decide for themselves that he's batshit crazy without having it spoonfed to them by another source.
    - skrebbel 7y ago
      This is a correct observation, stated drily without any opinion mixed in. I don't understand why people downvoted you. EDIT: I read over the word "assholes". Not drily at all.
    - dhyft 7y ago
      People I don't like are talking :'( :'(
      - deleted 7y ago
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    - LandR 7y ago
      Do people not realise how dangerous a viewpoint this is, to stop people you don't agree with talking / deplatforming. How do the left not realise how authoritiarian they actually are in this regard? And making someone out to be a right wing nazi because of who they spoke to on their show is madness. I'm not even sure it's honest on the part of these people, I think they know Joe Rogan isnt some right wing nazi but they say it just to fit in with their "group".
    - lagadu 7y ago
      How is it a bad thing that he promotes the free exchange and presentation of ideas?
      - TheBranca18 7y ago
        It's a bad thing to promote people such as McInnes, who if they had control of the world would prevent such free exchange and presentation of ideas and would kill minorities. It's his show so obviously he's free to do what he wants, but I think one of the most popular podcasts in the world should show restraint when presenting people who are neo-fascists. This normalization isn't helpful and I feel strongly that people such as McInnes should be deplatformed, and he has on places such as Twitter, as studies have shown it to be the best way to stop the propagation of such harmful ideas.
        anon12345690 7y ago
        sounds like you dont know who gavin is then why dont you watch the episode with him and learn for yourself thats why its not good to deplatform people you dont like because other people told you not to like them
        TheBranca18 7y ago
        It's increasingly clear that I have less in common with many on Hacker News when these types of responses are considered valuable. > sounds like you dont know who gavin is then This is directly from Wikipedia. > McInnes was a leading figure in the hipster subculture while at Vice, being labelled as the "godfather" of hipsterdom. After leaving the company in 2008, he became increasingly known for his far-right political views. He is the founder of the Proud Boys, a neo-fascist men's group classified as a "general hate" organization by the Southern Poverty Law Center. I called him a neo-fascist, I'd love to know what makes you conclude I don't know who he is. > why dont you watch the episode with him and learn for yourself That's not learning for myself, learning for myself is consulting various sources and investigating things he said and actions he's done. Not hearing a milquetoast description of his views from the man himself that aren't being challenged. > thats why its not good to deplatform people you dont like because other people told you not to like them Why would you jump to this? What in my response told you that someone else told me not to like him? McInnes screaming the n word the way he has in the past among many of his other actions makes me not like him. Edit: I'm also clueless as to how my response was directly to the main thread as there was a deeper thread I was trying to respond to originally. Not sure what went on there.
    - dlivingston 7y ago
      The best rebuttal to the idea of 'deplatforming' is from John Stuart Mills, in On Liberty: > “He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.”
  - SquareWheel 7y ago
    I don't know about his recent activity, but he does have a history of pushing conspiracy theories. Most notably he claimed the moon landing was a hoax. That alone has put me off watching his show (as much as I enjoy hearing Carmack speak).
    - nailer 7y ago
      > I don't know about his recent activity, but he does has a history of pushing conspiracy theories. Most notably he claimed the moon landing was a hoax. I subscribe to JRE and this watch it regularly. Rogan has not recently pushed the moon landing was a hoax. I'm not sure where you got that information. Rogan has discussed how he used to think the moon landing was a hoax many years ago and now thinks the moon landing happened. Rogan also talks about how most conspiracy theorists are sad, lonely people.
      - SquareWheel 7y ago
        >Rogan has not recently pushed the moon landing was a hoax. I'm not sure where you got that information. You're changing what I said. I said that he previously pushed the view. It's also not hard to find evidence of that. Here's the first result of a Google search where he claims NASA's footage was faked. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_KT7YlVuKI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_KT7YlVuKI e: Here's a video debating the topic with Phil Plait. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA3ED2E5D5A8D72CD https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA3ED2E5D5A8D72CD
        nailer 7y ago
        > You're changing what I said. Your comment "Most notably he claimed the moon landing was a hoax." is vague about whether Rogan recently has stated the moon landing is a hoax. I've added your full quote in my reply to let people judge for themselves. Further: > pushed the moon landing was a hoax. is not the same as: > It's also not hard to find evidence of that... he claims NASA's footage was faked He does believe some of the footage was faked - there are indeed inconsistencies there that aren't very well explained. That's not the same thing as believing the moon landing didn't occur, which was Joe back in Fear Factor / NewsRadio era. He's 52 now.
- PavlovsCat 7y ago
  Useres flagging stories so others don't see them, rather than using the "hide" feature so they don't see them, is the problem.
paggle 7y ago
There are probably a lot of Joe Rogan reflexive downvoters because gasp he had some less-than-Carmackian guests on his show.
- drak0n1c 7y ago
  Those who reflexively dislike Rogan may not like Carmack's politics either. Carmack generally keeps quiet on politics but the few times he touches the subject when discussing books or philosophy on Twitter he's been quite libertarian.
- AlchemistCamp 7y ago
  HN doesn't have down votes for stories AFIK. People are probably abusing the flag feature over 2nd degree associations that don't come up at all in this video.
jayd16 7y ago
HN usually hates videos.
nailer 7y ago
> If people are flagging something like this that's so directly in the sweet spot of "interesting to hackers" and non-flamewar inducing as this, then I hope the mods aren't asleep at the wheel! Exactly. Flags of this article would be a good indicator for dang / sctb to make HN ignore flags from these HN accounts in future.

AlchemistCamp 7y ago

It's really great how he pushed so hard to open source the previous generation of each game when releasing a new one. It's hard to tell how much that pushed the industry forward, but I'm sure a lot of people became better C programmers as a result. The "smell in VR" kits in this interview were interesting. I hadn't realized so much progress had been made on that front (or that it would take so much to make it as convincing as visual input).

pizza234 7y ago
> but I'm sure a lot of people became better C programmers as a result. A lot of people also became professional [level] designers because of his works - Doom was innotivative, among the many things, in the fact that it was designed from the ground up for extension (modding).
- jasonwatkinspdx 7y ago
  Yup. I worked on a few doomed game projects in the late 90's. The quake tools were where a lot of people started learning. Unreal was a huge step as well, as the editor had a lot better ux. I shifted out of doing level design work, but some of the people I worked with ended up on the Medal of Honor team.
- badocr 7y ago
  Indeed, and Valve hired a bunch of people from the Doom/Quake modding scene for Half-Life 1.
  - pfranz 7y ago
    Valve's engine was also based off and licensed from Quake's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldSrc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldSrc
coldtea 7y ago
>The "smell in VR" kits in this interview were interesting. I hadn't realized so much progress had been made on that front (or that it would take so much to make it as convincing as visual input) Well, we had smell-o-vision for a loooong time... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smell-O-Vision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smell-O-Vision

plugger 7y ago

Do they spend much time talking about Armadillo and/or rocketry? I'm curious to hear Carmack talk about those topics but I'm not sure I want to wade through 2 1/2 hours of Rogan if he doesn't delve into rocketry.

mifreewil 7y ago
Starts right about here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlMSe5-zP8&feature=youtu.be&t=7856 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlMSe5-zP8&feature=youtu.be... 2:10:56
- elamje 7y ago
  This part through the end is pretty incredible! He’s a nonstop stream of intellect.
  - mifreewil 7y ago
    The entire podcast is like this, highly recommend the entire episode.
- plugger 7y ago
  Thank you so much!

gigatexal 7y ago

For those of you skipping to the heavily programming heavy parts I’d heartily suggest listening to the whole thing. There’s a lot in there about life, balance, working conditions in gaming, the need for sleep, martial arts, etc. Lots of topics are discussed. It’s a great episode.

MS90 7y ago
And twin-turbo'ing a Testarossa to 1009 hp AT THE WHEELS

adnzzzzZ 7y ago

Interesting perspective on work-life balance, certainly contrary to the usual discussion online on these issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlMSe5-zP8&t=1h27m10s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlMSe5-zP8&t=1h27m10s

SamReidHughes 7y ago

If you’ve ever watched a QuakeCon talk, this is pretty much what you’d expect. The one thing of note that I disagree with is his opinion on general AI. I think that could take centuries, and that it’s kind of like trying to predict when some unsolved math problem will be solved.

soup10 7y ago
There is no real evidence that computers can be programmed to intelligently invent and act on their own thought processes. All notable AI techniques to date specify in exhausting detail the thought processes that the AI should execute in carefully constructed algorithms. We're getting closer to the point where we can tell the computer to "think and act like a human" and in more and more domains it succeeds. But we're as far as ever from "think for yourself".
- cakoose 7y ago
  > All notable AI techniques to date specify in exhausting detail the thought processes that the AI should execute in carefully constructed algorithms. I'm not knowledgeable about AI, but from some of of the game-playing AI research I've read about, it seems like we provide in exhaustive detail the rules and objectives and the AI figures out (though a very resource-hungry process) an "algorithm" (e.g. encoded as a neural network) to play the game well. I'm not saying that's close to human thought, but it seems far beyond having to "specify in exhausting detail the thought processes that the AI should execute in carefully constructed algorithms."
- tosh 7y ago
  Jürgen Schmidhuber w/ Lex Fridman talk about AI & consciousness: https://youtu.be/3FIo6evmweo https://youtu.be/3FIo6evmweo
- empath75 7y ago
  Any intelligent process has to emerge from the action of non-intelligent components. Your argument is the same as saying that a hurricane could never form because air molecules do not contain wind, and water molecules do not contain rain.

tosh 7y ago

On open sourcing Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake: https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=591 https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=591 Neuralink: https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=2523 https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=2523 Artificial General Intelligence: https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=2778 https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=2778 Quantum Computing: https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=3106 https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=3106 “Engineering is figuring out how to do what you want with what you’ve actually got”: https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=3190 https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=3190 End of Moore’s Law / On CPU architecture: https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=3860 https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=3860 5G and streaming (games & video): https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=4288 https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=4288 edit: like already mentioned there are a lot of topics covered, some even for just a few sentences, the conversation flows, worth watching the whole thing

Nokinside 7y ago
Carmack briefly mentions 5G and streaming games. I think there is good economic reason for the 5G gaming is eventually coming (it may take some time) because low latency enables it. If you think about the price of gaming PC or console, there is huge discrepancy between the budget of hardcore gaming enthusiast and casual gamer. It would be nice to get $5000 gaming tower in every house, but you don't. Many casual gamers would rent $5000 - $10,000 worth of gaming hardware for few hours a week it was simple. Only way to get bleeding edge high-end gaming to masses is to put GPU and some other parts to the edge (or at least within the same city) and stream or partially stream the game to cheaper computer device and screens. Consider $5,000 worth of bleeding edge hardware that costs $1/hour to run. If you rent it for $8/hour, and it only sells for 5 hours per day for gaming, the HW pays itself back in 5 months. It could be rented out for other stuff in the meantime. Cloudflare, what do you think? I could see a market emerging similar to school VHS/DVD/Game rentals. There is limited computational resource near you and you can rent it for gaming. If all is taken (weekend evenings) the 'shelves' are empty. On working/school days and hours you get the same thing cheaper. It probably happens in Japan, South Korea and Nordic countries first.
- novocaine 7y ago
  Those countries already have fibre - are you saying 5g is better than fibre for streaming gaming?

sexy_seedbox 7y ago

For those who don't have time to watch/listen to the whole podcast (you should though), you can get the highlights on Joe Rogan's other channel, JRE Clips: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnxGkOGNMqQEUMvroOWps6Q/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnxGkOGNMqQEUMvroOWps6Q/vid...

Nokinside 7y ago

Carmack makes good point about VR in the beginning. For people who live in tight spaces VR can be way to do conventional things like watch films and YouTube. This kind of conventional use could be what bootstraps VR markets. VR headset tech is in a weird situation where none of them is really good enough, but when you test the best in the market it destroys the enjoyment you get from previous generation. I tested 20 minutes $6000 Vario VR-1 where the market is professional use and now anything consumer grade feels like total crap.

dalbasal 7y ago
I'm not betting my whole stack on it, but I would bet some on the idea that an imminent breakthrough/killer-app for consumer VR will be exercise. Could be VR gyms. Could be home use. Take a current-gen oculus/etc. Add a heart rate monitor, foot tracking, maybe weighted controllers... you have some excellent workout potential. If price can get to <$300, they will sell A lot of the top games atm (beat saber, superhot, boxvr) are pretty exercise-ey. Combining gamified fun/addictiveness, in-home convenience & all the advantages of digitization (eg adjust speed in response to heart rate)... I reckon it will be effective. We're not far from it. An exercise-centric home VR console and/or VR gyms...
- buboard 7y ago
  > VR will be exercise. Could be VR gyms It s an interesting idea but about the worst situation i can think of. Not only will i be sweating, i 'll be vigorously moving , exacerbating any vestibular reflexes, shifting the headset on my head, and risking getting injured. I think anything that requires too much physical interaction is a bad candidate for VR. My idea of VR is that it amplifies any minute movement of my fingers magically. That feels empowering
  - Ajedi32 7y ago
    There are already a lot of great games in VR that make you sweat. It's actually not bad at all. Sweat is easily dealt with if you purchase a washable faceplate cover, and there are no simulator sickness issues created by moving around physically with a 6DoF headset, since the view in-game perfectly mirrors your movement in the real world. The headset can shift around slightly on your head, but I've found that's only really an issue if you turn your head complete upside down. Aside from that, slight shifts are barely noticeable provided the headset is strapped on correctly. I do agree that actually using gym equipment in VR would be rather difficult to do safely, unless the equipment itself was actually tracked and displayed in-game.

Insanity 7y ago

For those interested in the development of Doom (And Wolf3D, Keen, ..), or the story of iD software in general, I quite recommend reading "Masters of Doom". https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/222146.Masters_of_Doom?from_search=true https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/222146.Masters_of_Doom?f... Coincidentally, I just started re-reading it last week. It's quite a fun book :)

dagurp 7y ago
It might become a TV show https://www.slashfilm.com/masters-of-doom-series/ https://www.slashfilm.com/masters-of-doom-series/
lpellis 7y ago
Very fun book indeed, the audiobook is also very good. (narrated by Wil Wheaton) https://www.audible.com/pd/Masters-of-Doom-Audiobook/B008K8BQG6 https://www.audible.com/pd/Masters-of-Doom-Audiobook/B008K8B...
- panpanna 7y ago
  I find Will Wheaton's audiobook narration very annoying. Stopped reading Red Shirts because of his childish voice acting.
  - lpellis 7y ago
    I can definitely see him becoming annoying for some contexts, but for this book I found his exciting enthusiasm perfect, reminded me of that early university/student energy.
  - Mountain_Skies 7y ago
    He was very good at narrating his autobiography. Also liked his reading of Ready Player One but other than those two books, he does tend to be a bad choice for narration. Comparing the Amber Benson reading of Lock In to the Wheaton reading makes this even more obvious.
tus88 7y ago

hd4 7y ago

Getting the "Your browser does not currently recognize the formats" error, using FF 68.0.2 on Ubuntu.

shayolden 7y ago

Nice to see Team Fortress (Quake 1 mod) get a shout out. 23 years later, we've still got a team developing and playing it. https://www.fortressone.org/ https://www.fortressone.org/

drzel 7y ago
Burgeoning community at https://discord.fortressone.org https://discord.fortressone.org
bdickason 7y ago
I hadn’t heard about this project, thanks for sharing!!! QWTF was one of my first competitive games and I loved making custom maps for it.
- drzel 7y ago
  Map making for Quake has come a long way with Trenchbroom. We're always looking for more maps - join the discord and say hello!
cptnapalm 7y ago
Played a bit of TF in 1998. A few weeks later, I went to see Saving Private Ryan. The opening D-Day imagery of the film produced the spontaneous comparison, "it's just like Team Fortress." 21 years later, I still recall that.

sidcool 7y ago

John Carmack is one of the most eloquent programmers I have heard.

Sholmesy 7y ago
Agreed. I love that he doesn't dumb himself down but still manages to make the content relatable/understandable.
lucaspottersky 7y ago
yeah, but he could take a breath every once in a while
- sidcool 7y ago
  He programmed his nostrils to breathe in parallel.

Sholmesy 7y ago

John Carmack is the perfect ultra nerd for this format. He's so good at communicating complex ideas, to the point that even less-informed people will enjoy this podcast. Dude's a hero.

S_A_P 7y ago

John is like many of the people Ive met that have no problem conveying a lot of dense information quickly and easily and avoiding speech patterns that are overly technical and difficult to understand. Some of the most intelligent people I know are able to do that. That is a very underrated skill that I wish I had. I forever stumble on words when Im explaining something complicated/technical. Its like a cognitive dissonance that I am fighting between saying technical jargon and dumb-ing down to layman's terms. Im sure being on the other end of that it is perceived as condescending or just that I dont know what Im talking about.

that_jojo 7y ago
How did I leave this comment here without any memory of doing it?
orblivion 7y ago
One issue I have is that I can't bullshit people. I had a friend who I was trying to explain things to, and often I made it too complicated. Another friend explained it to her satisfaction, but I thought the particular explanation given was deceiving. And yet she didn't care. I think it is possible to be honest and yet simplify things to whatever level, but I'd rather fail at explaining than give a false explanation.
- splatzone 7y ago
  I find it's good to let people know that 'it's actually a bit more complicated than this, but...'
  - thinkmassive 7y ago
    To illustrate this I like to use the analogy of very basic physics. Even someone who never took calculus can usually grasp the concept of first learning ideal velocity and acceleration, then adding details like friction.
- newnewpdro 7y ago
  I'm similar, but have learned to just be more iterative when explaining complex topics. Start with the simplest conveyance, which usually is riddled with the most bullshit. If you don't lose them, just add the corrections, if there are too many, only add some of the corrections, rinse, repeat.

coding123 7y ago

Why was this flagged and deleted yesterday. Anyway def awesome well worth watching

0-_-0 7y ago

For those interested in all of Carmack's clever hacks in the Wolfenstein and Doom source code that made it possible to run these games on PCs of the day, the Game Engine Black Books are a great read (they are also free): http://fabiensanglard.net/gebb/index.html http://fabiensanglard.net/gebb/index.html

leftyted 7y ago

He talks about AGI at https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=2776 https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8?t=2776 I wonder if all the really smart people who think AGI is around the corner know something I don't. Well, clearly they know a lot of things that I don't, but I wonder if there's some decisive piece of information I'm missing. I'm a "strict materialist" too, but that doesn't mean I think we can build a brain or a sun or a planet or etc within X years, it just means that I think it's technically possible to build those things. I don't see how we get from "neural net that's really good at identifying objects" to "general intelligence". The emphasis on computational power also makes no sense to me. If we had infinite compute today, what steps would you take to build AGI? Does anyone have any good ideas about that? Sometimes I wonder if AGI (and the concept of a "technological singularity") isn't just "intelligent design for people with north of 140 IQ". Maybe really smart people tend to develop a blindspot for really hard problems (because they've solved so many of them so effectively).

mordymoop 7y ago
The problem here seems to be that you think the state of the art resembles “being really good at identifying objects”. This makes it clear that you are not keeping up with the frontier. I recommend looking up DeepMind’s 2019 papers, they are easily discoverable. When you read them, you will probably update in the direction of “AGI soon”. It’s possible that you won’t see what the big deal is, I suppose. I personally see what Carmack and others see, a feasible path to generality, and even some specific promising precursors to generality. It also helps to be familiar with the most current cognitive neuroscience papers, but that’s asking a lot.
- fulafel 7y ago
  Link to DeepMind's papers: https://deepmind.com/research?filters=%7B%22collection%22:%5B%22Publications%22%5D%7D https://deepmind.com/research?filters=%7B%22collection%22:%5...
- scep12 7y ago
  What are some of the highlights from DeepMind that gives you optimism for a path to AGI? I am not seeing it, personally.

decoyworker 7y ago

I can't believe Joe Rogan gives extremists like this guy a platform! /s

ur-whale 7y ago

Not directly related, but everytime John's name pops up, it always reminds me of one of his quotes: "Damn spooky analog crap." -- John Carmack

ovi256 7y ago
Any context for this quote ? Google didn't find anything behind people using it in their email signature.

brexiteer 7y ago

People hate on Joe Rogan but I think he is an excellent host, the podcast has people from all perspectives on and he manages not to offend any of them, most come on subsequent episodes. I'll take a Rogan interview over some opinionated bullshit clip from CNN/MSNBC/FOX.

stronglikedan 7y ago
People hate on him because he's an excellent host, and his lack of "outrage" on controversial topics goes against the fiber of their beings.
- bananocurrency 7y ago
  Ah yes, people dislike him because he's too good! Not because he enables nationalists for revenue and prods conspiracy theories. No way! He's just an average Joe like us! Him hosting Fear Factor reminded me of my reality TV hosting days.
  - quantdev 7y ago
    Why shouldn't we hear what nationalists have to say? Who gets to decide what is a conspiracy theory? They're not all as simply false as flat earth. Keto in the low-fat 90s would have been a conspiracy theory and a culture of censorship would have killed it. We need many groups of people believing different things and civilly arguing for what's correct. We don't need de-platforming or cancelling - that can only lead to groupthink and groupthink is incredibly dangerous: see the housing crisis or the Nazis.
- drngdds 7y ago
  What you call a "lack of outrage on controversial topics" would be more accurately called "unwillingness to seriously challenge the terrible ideas he gives a platform to"
  - proc0 7y ago
    His job is not to challenge his guest's ideas, it is precisely to give them a platform. Weak people are afraid of ideas and thus dislike this very notion.

body_lump 7y ago

I liked so much the video. Pretty interesting.

seph-reed 7y ago

What if attaching digital inputs to our neurons and self hacking is the major leap that will bring AGI out?

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davidjnelson 7y ago

Really enjoyed that one!!! Fascinating to hear his story of how he pushed to open source games... and how they started with allowing modding, then custom scripting support, then open source. “The business folks didn’t like it” :-)

heisnotanalien 7y ago

Everyone is already a phone head. Can't say I am looking forward to everyone being a VR head.