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The worst thing is, the 2015 MBP keyboard was nearly perfect. The vast majority of the time I don't even use an external keyboard even when I am working at a de
by zmmmmm 7y ago
The worst thing is, the 2015 MBP keyboard was nearly perfect. The vast majority of the time I don't even use an external keyboard even when I am working at a desk and am plugged into monitor.
It's one thing to fail at designing something because it is hard and you haven't figured it out yet. It's quite another to regress to incompetence on something you already perfected.
- samcheng 7y agoThe 2015 MBP is great! I have a spare one stockpiled. I wish they would keep it basically as-is, replace one of the (generally unused) thunderbolt ports with a USB-C port, add their secure enclave T2 security chip, and update the CPU/chipset. Maybe even add FaceID...
- zmmmmm 7y agoAll I want is 32G memory. Literally just do that, keep everything else identical and I will spend $3k to buy a new one.
- mcv 7y agoI think the late 2011 unibody is the best Macbook they ever made. Easily opened up, with nearly everything replaceable. Pleasant to work with. Their last lineup that had a 17 inch model available. Only downside: noisy fans. I replaced them, bit that didn't fix it. Give me one with quieter fans and maybe a slightly more up to date processor, and I'm happy.
- commandersaki 7y agoYeah, um, I’m 50/50 about the T2. I’ve found it quite easy to brick the mid 2018 mob.
- rangibaby 7y agoUSB C replaced MDP as the connector for Thunderbolt so I guess that part would get an update in any case
- vojta_letal 7y agoI am rocking 2015 15" and I fear the moment when it breaks.
- reneherse 7y agoI work daily with 2015 MBPs, and I agree the keyboards are good. But every day I also miss the keyboard of my burnt out 2011 MBP. In my 20 years of using macs, that one and the 2012 generation had the best combination of crisp resistance + travel.
- trykondev 7y agoI totally agree. Just this year I bought a new computer and chose a refurbished 2015 MBP based almost entirely on the keyboard.
- seppin 7y agoCompletely disagree, keys were too heavy and keyboard was too far back. Love the new keyboard. Eh to each their own I guess.
- SkyPuncher 7y agoI agree. I don't think I'll ever beat my 2015 MBP. Seriously, the thing is a workhorse. I consistently run 4 screens while streaming Twitch/Youtube, running 1 or 2 emulators, 2 IDE's, and dozens of Chrome tabs. Thing only slows down on hot days when it can't cool off well enough.
- docker_up 7y ago2015 MBP was the last best laptop. I've been suffering with a 2018 MBP as well, and I'm done. The Touchbar and the arrow keys are killing me. I'm giving them one more chance to fix their mistake with the 2019 MBP which should be announced in the next few weeks, otherwise I'm, going to a Vaio.
- b3b0p 7y agoCan't agree. Coming from a Thinkpad (the standard for what makes a great keyboard), PowerBook Titanium (keyboard was bad, but nothing like the 2016/17 MacBook Pro), PowerBook 12 / 17 (my favorite), and the first MacBook Pro (still pretty great) everything starting with the unibody has been downhill. Ever since, the keyboard and I believe battery even have not been user replaceable. There was a time one could walk into an Apple Store and actually purchase the battery in a box off the shelf, take it to the counter and buy it like any other product. I have a 2017 and 2018 15 inch MacBook Pro. The 2017 is almost unusable. The 2018 is much better relatively. I also had a 2015 13 inch. Can't say the keyboard was great on that either. I've been tempted to try retrofit a 12 inch PowerBook with more modern parts like the devoted Thinkpad users have done.
- mantap 7y agoThe pre-chiclet keyboards were okay for their era but the <=2015 chiclet design is just so much more comfortable because of the lack of sharp edges and does a much better job at keeping dust out than the old open design.
- SmirkingRevenge 7y agoI did well with keyboards on the old powerbook g4, and the 1st gen intel macbook pros. Once they went chiclet, I developed wrist fatigue, finger pain, and other issues. They are an ergonomic nightmare scenario for me, and are basically unusable undocked for any significant length of time. I imagine the new models will be even worse.
- m463 7y agono. I think the original first gen macbook pro keyboard was really good. - The keys were shaped to match the curve of your finger - the stroke distance was very nice - escape key I think it started going downhill with the flat keys. Your fingers could not feel the key edges, would therefore not center, and you would mistype.
- whywhywhywhy 7y agoEven the little things are inferior on the modern MBP compared to 2015. I use both and have noticed that when you plug headphones into a 2015 the switch over from (muted) speakers to mid volume headphones is instant. On the USB-C version there is a 1.5 to 2 second lag where if you turn the volume up you'll actually be turning the volume up on the speakers because it takes that long to switch audio sources. No longer feels like a premium machine.