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Go give windows a try and report back. I've been using Windows for the past couple of weeks and, granted maybe I haven't really given it a chance, using it aft

Go give windows a try and report back. I've been using Windows for the past couple of weeks and, granted maybe I haven't really given it a chance, using it after using Macs for 10+ years is not great. Maybe developing on macOS has become a hassle (I don't see that, but sure), but doing everything on Windows is a hassle. Taking a screenshot. Opening the right file. Displaying UI at a reasonable scale. Think what you want of macOS 'recently', but Windows is just full of bets and decisions that show they're not really concerned about the user experience.

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rhacker 7y ago
Definitely agree here. I have a 2014 MBP. I can't let go of it. Last year I bought a brand new laptop with Windows 10 on it. I definitely think it is a major improvement over all Windows since XP (better than XP of course too). I told myself I have to eventually migrate... still hasn't happened. There's just no reason to dive into horrible Pythoning, Dockering, NodeJSing (do I have to bring up Node-Gyp?) For development Windows has a long way to go, even with WSL.
dpedu 7y ago
> Displaying UI at a reasonable scale. It's amazing how bad Windows still is at this. In my experience, connecting monitors of different densities results in crazy things breaking, like the "maximize window" feature.
- FireBeyond 7y ago
  It's also funny, though, how selectively we remember things. Only a few years ago Mac multi-monitor support was horrific. You couldn't straddle two screens with a window. And heaven help you if you were dealing with full screen, your second monitor was effectively disabled.
- mkl 7y ago
  My experience is totally different. I use monitors of different densities every day, and move things between them, etc. Nothing bad happens, and maximising just works. The only bad Windows density thing I run into is when I occasionally remote desktop into Windows Server 2012, which doesn't know about HiDPI or resolution changes, so if it starts on the wrong screen everything is hilariously tiny. That's fixed in more recent Windows Server versions.
- GordonS 7y ago
  I have a different experience. I connect to 3x HD monitors at work, one of which is portrait. At home I connect to a 3K monitor and a portrait 1980x1200 one. All works flawlessly for me.
blinkingled 7y ago
> Taking a screenshot. Opening the right file Former is PrtScn key on my keyboard. Microsoft ships Snipping Tools and lately Snip n Sketch for screenshots - never had any issues with either. Latter - not sure what you mean - opening the right file as in setting default program to open a file? That's easy enough and it's the best experience on Windows.
- anaisbetts 7y ago
  This is the Windows 7-era way to do this. Hit WindowsKey-Shift-S instead.
- dsego 7y ago
  PrtScn only if you want to paste it into an image editing program. If you want to save it as file (which is what most people do) than it's some combo. I still remember how it was common for people to send me word files with screenshots pasted, they didn't know better.
- madeofpalk 7y ago
  Press print screen and it does... I'm not sure what? I /remembered "Snipping Tool", so I searched for "Snip" and launched that, and it shows a menu that says like "Snipping Tool is deprecated, use Snip n Sketch" so you click that and a new app opens (but old one stays open as well) and you take your screenshot and then its open in a window that you have to go and save. I know I'm biased because its what I'm used to for 10 years, but on Mac I just have the (insane) cmd + shift + 4 shortcut engrained that'll snip a part of my screen and save to my Desktop. It's just so much quicker than Windows. re opening file: I miss Quicklook to make sure I have the right file selected. Also miss being able to drag a file into an open dialogue box to select it to open.
  - dsego 7y ago
    > Press print screen and it does... I'm not sure what? Copies it into the buffer, silently. No notification, nothing. Great UX. In Ubuntu it's even better, it actually saves it as an image file (and does the annoying shutter effect). But the repeat key is not turned off... so if by any chance you hold it down by mistake, thinking it was the right ctrl, oh boy, you get a shitstorm of shutter effects and dozens of screenshots in the pictures folder. Very annoying. I don't know which I hate more, Ubuntu or Windows.
taude 7y ago
Taking a screen shot hard on Windows? Windows-shift-S lets you grab a region vs macbook's shift-command-3 or 4 or 5, or whatever it is (I don't currentlyy have a mac). anyway, I will say that WSL is a lot better than what we had, but it's no where near as great as terminal working on the Mac. Maybe WSL 2.0 will be better. But I do miss my Mac tooling.
- madeofpalk 7y ago
  > Windows-shift-S Thanks, I didn't know about this! I'll give it a go! I've been using Lightshot to try and make screenshot taking a bit more bearable, but its still no cmd-shift-4 drag region and have a screenshot on my desktop.
  - taude 7y ago
    I was using Greenshot or Snagit until I learned this recently, myself.
  - bhauer 7y ago
    The printscreen button also loads the current screen into the clipboard. You can find all keyboard shortcuts here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12445/windows-keyboard-shortcuts https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12445/windows-keybo...
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p1necone 7y ago
Eh, as someone who's primarily used Windows (and a bit of Linux with xfce) for my entire life I find Macs basically unusable (seriously how do I browse the file system). I think it's more of a question of familiarity than anything else.
- jimpudar 7y ago
  What do you find lacking in Finder for browsing the filesystem? Also, Spotlight tends to work great for me whereas Windows search almost never finds what I want. You also have the terminal, so you're free to `cd`, `find`, `locate`, etc...
  - x0x0 7y ago
    tab completion also works in Finder. You can open it with command-G
- _coveredInBees 7y ago
  I hear you about Finder. Windows File explorer seems a lot easier and more feature rich compared to Finder. The single most annoying thing is that there is no easy/ obvious way to grab the path to a file/folder in Finder, which seems like the most basic of features. I did figure out a keyboard shortcut at some point, but Finder feels so dated as a file manager.
  - chipotle_coyote 7y ago
    If the Path bar is visible, you can right-click at any point along the path of the selected file and select "Copy Path." You can also just drag an icon from a Finder window into any window that accepts text, including Terminal, and it'll paste the fully qualified path right in. I always used to find Windows File Explorer to be the one that was less feature-rich, but I haven't used it in... we'll just say a shamefully long time. But as someone who got used to Macs an equally long time ago, I've wondered if it's because the Mac seemed to make drag-and-drop such a central way of manipulating files and Windows emphasized "select object - select operation" as its central metaphor. If you're used to one way, moving to other system feels weird and clunky.
wklauss 7y ago
> Maybe developing on macOS has become a hassle (I don't see that, but sure), but doing everything on Windows is a hassle. I have Windows installed on a Bootcamp partition on my Macbook Pro. Aside from the hassle and quirks of a different operating systems (coming from MacOS I find Windows extremely lacking in UX), I find perplexing the way Windows handles color profiles. Same computer, same screen, but everything is super saturated in Windows. In some websites with a lot of color in the background it can be jarring.
- GordonS 7y ago
  I run Windows in Bootcamp too, but gods the keyboard and especially the trackpad are horrendous. I have the 2016 model, and hate the keyboard even in MacOS, but it's really obvious that Apple have deliberately crippled the Windows drivers. I eventually came across trackpad++, which at least renders it usable, but still unpleasant - I travel with a USB mouse these days (sigh, which obviously means a USB dongle for the MBP...).

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rhacker 7y ago

Definitely agree here. I have a 2014 MBP. I can't let go of it. Last year I bought a brand new laptop with Windows 10 on it. I definitely think it is a major improvement over all Windows since XP (better than XP of course too). I told myself I have to eventually migrate... still hasn't happened. There's just no reason to dive into horrible Pythoning, Dockering, NodeJSing (do I have to bring up Node-Gyp?) For development Windows has a long way to go, even with WSL.

dpedu 7y ago

> Displaying UI at a reasonable scale. It's amazing how bad Windows still is at this. In my experience, connecting monitors of different densities results in crazy things breaking, like the "maximize window" feature.

FireBeyond 7y ago
It's also funny, though, how selectively we remember things. Only a few years ago Mac multi-monitor support was horrific. You couldn't straddle two screens with a window. And heaven help you if you were dealing with full screen, your second monitor was effectively disabled.
mkl 7y ago
My experience is totally different. I use monitors of different densities every day, and move things between them, etc. Nothing bad happens, and maximising just works. The only bad Windows density thing I run into is when I occasionally remote desktop into Windows Server 2012, which doesn't know about HiDPI or resolution changes, so if it starts on the wrong screen everything is hilariously tiny. That's fixed in more recent Windows Server versions.
GordonS 7y ago
I have a different experience. I connect to 3x HD monitors at work, one of which is portrait. At home I connect to a 3K monitor and a portrait 1980x1200 one. All works flawlessly for me.

blinkingled 7y ago

> Taking a screenshot. Opening the right file Former is PrtScn key on my keyboard. Microsoft ships Snipping Tools and lately Snip n Sketch for screenshots - never had any issues with either. Latter - not sure what you mean - opening the right file as in setting default program to open a file? That's easy enough and it's the best experience on Windows.

anaisbetts 7y ago
This is the Windows 7-era way to do this. Hit WindowsKey-Shift-S instead.
dsego 7y ago
PrtScn only if you want to paste it into an image editing program. If you want to save it as file (which is what most people do) than it's some combo. I still remember how it was common for people to send me word files with screenshots pasted, they didn't know better.
madeofpalk 7y ago
Press print screen and it does... I'm not sure what? I /remembered "Snipping Tool", so I searched for "Snip" and launched that, and it shows a menu that says like "Snipping Tool is deprecated, use Snip n Sketch" so you click that and a new app opens (but old one stays open as well) and you take your screenshot and then its open in a window that you have to go and save. I know I'm biased because its what I'm used to for 10 years, but on Mac I just have the (insane) cmd + shift + 4 shortcut engrained that'll snip a part of my screen and save to my Desktop. It's just so much quicker than Windows. re opening file: I miss Quicklook to make sure I have the right file selected. Also miss being able to drag a file into an open dialogue box to select it to open.
- dsego 7y ago
  > Press print screen and it does... I'm not sure what? Copies it into the buffer, silently. No notification, nothing. Great UX. In Ubuntu it's even better, it actually saves it as an image file (and does the annoying shutter effect). But the repeat key is not turned off... so if by any chance you hold it down by mistake, thinking it was the right ctrl, oh boy, you get a shitstorm of shutter effects and dozens of screenshots in the pictures folder. Very annoying. I don't know which I hate more, Ubuntu or Windows.

taude 7y ago

Taking a screen shot hard on Windows? Windows-shift-S lets you grab a region vs macbook's shift-command-3 or 4 or 5, or whatever it is (I don't currentlyy have a mac). anyway, I will say that WSL is a lot better than what we had, but it's no where near as great as terminal working on the Mac. Maybe WSL 2.0 will be better. But I do miss my Mac tooling.

madeofpalk 7y ago
> Windows-shift-S Thanks, I didn't know about this! I'll give it a go! I've been using Lightshot to try and make screenshot taking a bit more bearable, but its still no cmd-shift-4 drag region and have a screenshot on my desktop.
- taude 7y ago
  I was using Greenshot or Snagit until I learned this recently, myself.
- bhauer 7y ago
  The printscreen button also loads the current screen into the clipboard. You can find all keyboard shortcuts here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12445/windows-keyboard-shortcuts https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12445/windows-keybo...
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p1necone 7y ago

Eh, as someone who's primarily used Windows (and a bit of Linux with xfce) for my entire life I find Macs basically unusable (seriously how do I browse the file system). I think it's more of a question of familiarity than anything else.

jimpudar 7y ago
What do you find lacking in Finder for browsing the filesystem? Also, Spotlight tends to work great for me whereas Windows search almost never finds what I want. You also have the terminal, so you're free to `cd`, `find`, `locate`, etc...
- x0x0 7y ago
  tab completion also works in Finder. You can open it with command-G
_coveredInBees 7y ago
I hear you about Finder. Windows File explorer seems a lot easier and more feature rich compared to Finder. The single most annoying thing is that there is no easy/ obvious way to grab the path to a file/folder in Finder, which seems like the most basic of features. I did figure out a keyboard shortcut at some point, but Finder feels so dated as a file manager.
- chipotle_coyote 7y ago
  If the Path bar is visible, you can right-click at any point along the path of the selected file and select "Copy Path." You can also just drag an icon from a Finder window into any window that accepts text, including Terminal, and it'll paste the fully qualified path right in. I always used to find Windows File Explorer to be the one that was less feature-rich, but I haven't used it in... we'll just say a shamefully long time. But as someone who got used to Macs an equally long time ago, I've wondered if it's because the Mac seemed to make drag-and-drop such a central way of manipulating files and Windows emphasized "select object - select operation" as its central metaphor. If you're used to one way, moving to other system feels weird and clunky.

wklauss 7y ago

> Maybe developing on macOS has become a hassle (I don't see that, but sure), but doing everything on Windows is a hassle. I have Windows installed on a Bootcamp partition on my Macbook Pro. Aside from the hassle and quirks of a different operating systems (coming from MacOS I find Windows extremely lacking in UX), I find perplexing the way Windows handles color profiles. Same computer, same screen, but everything is super saturated in Windows. In some websites with a lot of color in the background it can be jarring.

GordonS 7y ago
I run Windows in Bootcamp too, but gods the keyboard and especially the trackpad are horrendous. I have the 2016 model, and hate the keyboard even in MacOS, but it's really obvious that Apple have deliberately crippled the Windows drivers. I eventually came across trackpad++, which at least renders it usable, but still unpleasant - I travel with a USB mouse these days (sigh, which obviously means a USB dongle for the MBP...).