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> If Apple releases their new Macs with an identical keyboard, then I'm ditching Macs and will pick up a Microsoft Surface Book or something similar. Whatever i

> If Apple releases their new Macs with an identical keyboard, then I'm ditching Macs and will pick up a Microsoft Surface Book or something similar. Whatever it is, I'll make sure to pick a laptop that has a god damned functional keyboard. Same here, MBP keyboards are unbearable. Trying to develop on OSX has become a hassle. Gotta jump through hoops to get gdb to work. Windows with WSL on a Surface Book feels extremely tempting as of late. I could grab a copy of Windows 10 LTSC and not have to get bothered by untimely updates, Cortana, other bloatware and even telemetry.

madeofpalk 7y ago
Go give windows a try and report back. I've been using Windows for the past couple of weeks and, granted maybe I haven't really given it a chance, using it after using Macs for 10+ years is not great. Maybe developing on macOS has become a hassle (I don't see that, but sure), but doing everything on Windows is a hassle. Taking a screenshot. Opening the right file. Displaying UI at a reasonable scale. Think what you want of macOS 'recently', but Windows is just full of bets and decisions that show they're not really concerned about the user experience.
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- rhacker 7y ago
  Definitely agree here. I have a 2014 MBP. I can't let go of it. Last year I bought a brand new laptop with Windows 10 on it. I definitely think it is a major improvement over all Windows since XP (better than XP of course too). I told myself I have to eventually migrate... still hasn't happened. There's just no reason to dive into horrible Pythoning, Dockering, NodeJSing (do I have to bring up Node-Gyp?) For development Windows has a long way to go, even with WSL.
- dpedu 7y ago
  > Displaying UI at a reasonable scale. It's amazing how bad Windows still is at this. In my experience, connecting monitors of different densities results in crazy things breaking, like the "maximize window" feature.
  - FireBeyond 7y ago
    It's also funny, though, how selectively we remember things. Only a few years ago Mac multi-monitor support was horrific. You couldn't straddle two screens with a window. And heaven help you if you were dealing with full screen, your second monitor was effectively disabled.
  - mkl 7y ago
    My experience is totally different. I use monitors of different densities every day, and move things between them, etc. Nothing bad happens, and maximising just works. The only bad Windows density thing I run into is when I occasionally remote desktop into Windows Server 2012, which doesn't know about HiDPI or resolution changes, so if it starts on the wrong screen everything is hilariously tiny. That's fixed in more recent Windows Server versions.
  - GordonS 7y ago
    I have a different experience. I connect to 3x HD monitors at work, one of which is portrait. At home I connect to a 3K monitor and a portrait 1980x1200 one. All works flawlessly for me.
- blinkingled 7y ago
  > Taking a screenshot. Opening the right file Former is PrtScn key on my keyboard. Microsoft ships Snipping Tools and lately Snip n Sketch for screenshots - never had any issues with either. Latter - not sure what you mean - opening the right file as in setting default program to open a file? That's easy enough and it's the best experience on Windows.
  - anaisbetts 7y ago
    This is the Windows 7-era way to do this. Hit WindowsKey-Shift-S instead.
  - dsego 7y ago
    PrtScn only if you want to paste it into an image editing program. If you want to save it as file (which is what most people do) than it's some combo. I still remember how it was common for people to send me word files with screenshots pasted, they didn't know better.
  - madeofpalk 7y ago
    Press print screen and it does... I'm not sure what? I /remembered "Snipping Tool", so I searched for "Snip" and launched that, and it shows a menu that says like "Snipping Tool is deprecated, use Snip n Sketch" so you click that and a new app opens (but old one stays open as well) and you take your screenshot and then its open in a window that you have to go and save. I know I'm biased because its what I'm used to for 10 years, but on Mac I just have the (insane) cmd + shift + 4 shortcut engrained that'll snip a part of my screen and save to my Desktop. It's just so much quicker than Windows. re opening file: I miss Quicklook to make sure I have the right file selected. Also miss being able to drag a file into an open dialogue box to select it to open.
    - dsego 7y ago
      > Press print screen and it does... I'm not sure what? Copies it into the buffer, silently. No notification, nothing. Great UX. In Ubuntu it's even better, it actually saves it as an image file (and does the annoying shutter effect). But the repeat key is not turned off... so if by any chance you hold it down by mistake, thinking it was the right ctrl, oh boy, you get a shitstorm of shutter effects and dozens of screenshots in the pictures folder. Very annoying. I don't know which I hate more, Ubuntu or Windows.
- taude 7y ago
  Taking a screen shot hard on Windows? Windows-shift-S lets you grab a region vs macbook's shift-command-3 or 4 or 5, or whatever it is (I don't currentlyy have a mac). anyway, I will say that WSL is a lot better than what we had, but it's no where near as great as terminal working on the Mac. Maybe WSL 2.0 will be better. But I do miss my Mac tooling.
  - madeofpalk 7y ago
    > Windows-shift-S Thanks, I didn't know about this! I'll give it a go! I've been using Lightshot to try and make screenshot taking a bit more bearable, but its still no cmd-shift-4 drag region and have a screenshot on my desktop.
    - taude 7y ago
      I was using Greenshot or Snagit until I learned this recently, myself.
    - bhauer 7y ago
      The printscreen button also loads the current screen into the clipboard. You can find all keyboard shortcuts here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12445/windows-keyboard-shortcuts https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12445/windows-keybo...
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- p1necone 7y ago
  Eh, as someone who's primarily used Windows (and a bit of Linux with xfce) for my entire life I find Macs basically unusable (seriously how do I browse the file system). I think it's more of a question of familiarity than anything else.
  - jimpudar 7y ago
    What do you find lacking in Finder for browsing the filesystem? Also, Spotlight tends to work great for me whereas Windows search almost never finds what I want. You also have the terminal, so you're free to `cd`, `find`, `locate`, etc...
    - x0x0 7y ago
      tab completion also works in Finder. You can open it with command-G
  - _coveredInBees 7y ago
    I hear you about Finder. Windows File explorer seems a lot easier and more feature rich compared to Finder. The single most annoying thing is that there is no easy/ obvious way to grab the path to a file/folder in Finder, which seems like the most basic of features. I did figure out a keyboard shortcut at some point, but Finder feels so dated as a file manager.
    - chipotle_coyote 7y ago
      If the Path bar is visible, you can right-click at any point along the path of the selected file and select "Copy Path." You can also just drag an icon from a Finder window into any window that accepts text, including Terminal, and it'll paste the fully qualified path right in. I always used to find Windows File Explorer to be the one that was less feature-rich, but I haven't used it in... we'll just say a shamefully long time. But as someone who got used to Macs an equally long time ago, I've wondered if it's because the Mac seemed to make drag-and-drop such a central way of manipulating files and Windows emphasized "select object - select operation" as its central metaphor. If you're used to one way, moving to other system feels weird and clunky.
- wklauss 7y ago
  > Maybe developing on macOS has become a hassle (I don't see that, but sure), but doing everything on Windows is a hassle. I have Windows installed on a Bootcamp partition on my Macbook Pro. Aside from the hassle and quirks of a different operating systems (coming from MacOS I find Windows extremely lacking in UX), I find perplexing the way Windows handles color profiles. Same computer, same screen, but everything is super saturated in Windows. In some websites with a lot of color in the background it can be jarring.
  - GordonS 7y ago
    I run Windows in Bootcamp too, but gods the keyboard and especially the trackpad are horrendous. I have the 2016 model, and hate the keyboard even in MacOS, but it's really obvious that Apple have deliberately crippled the Windows drivers. I eventually came across trackpad++, which at least renders it usable, but still unpleasant - I travel with a USB mouse these days (sigh, which obviously means a USB dongle for the MBP...).
jiveturkey 7y ago
i'm surprised anyone can develop on a laptop keyboard anyway. an interesting product would be a keyboard sleeve. it doubles as a carry sleeve when the macbook is closed.
- gilesgate 7y ago
  Not really surprising. Old MBA 2013 has an awesome keyboard for coding (and is overall a great terminal device), and the Apple Wireless is identical to some MBA/MBP keyboards. The effective distance between the keys and the overall general width of the keyboard are pretty much en par with "proper" desktop keyboards, with excellent responsiveness and key travel. The MBP 2018 is another deal altogether, obviously. Sad, sad story.
dpedu 7y ago
The Surface Book 2's (the model I own) keyboard is probably one of the best laptop keyboard on the market today. Proper key travel and spacing and it's even backlit. I particularly like that they volume controls are on F1-F3 since they plus the Fn key can be operated single-handedly. I just wish it ran Linux better - I find Windows unusable.
- BinaryIdiot 7y ago
  I own a Surface Book 2 and a Surface Laptop 2. Both are amazing but I find the Laptop 2's keyboard better because of the fabric on it (which sounds bizarre). Either way, except for some Windows annoyances I really don't miss my MacBooks.
- Diggsey 7y ago
  When I first got it, it was fantastic, the best laptop keyboard I've ever used - over time the keys have got a little squishy though. Not enough to be an issue but it does make be a bit sad... I had a Surface Pro 4 before this and the keyboard on that was also amazing despite a much smaller size, and the keys didn't degrade at all.
- PretzelFisch 7y ago
  I love the Surface Book 2's keyboard, but it's trackpad still leaves a lot of room for improvement.
- halotrope 7y ago
  I just installed Ubuntu on mine and after updating the kernel with surface drivers[1] It works surprisingly well (Touch works, detach clipboard, nvidia-gpu, function keys). Its really a great linux machine tbh 1 https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface
abtinf 7y ago
I also dislike the keyboards, but it’s not quite enough to prevent me from buying one. The real showstopper is that the keyboard is an almost certain failure point and fixing it means a multi-week wait. Losing my primary machine for such a long time would be a catastrophe. With Lenovo and Dell, I can easily add a 5 year next-business-day on-site service warranty—for the same price as AppleCare+. But AppleCare has no business-class warranty service options, just shitty mail-in service. I bought a ThinkPad P1 recently. There was an issue with the touchpad I noticed as soon as I unboxed it. I called Lenovo Premier support, which has no wait time and no phone menu: calls are answered by a highly autonomous support agent (I believe in Florida) who can do whatever is needed to fix the problem. By noon the next day, technician was onsite and replaced the entire top half of the unit (equivalent to the MacBook keyboard repair).
oliyoung 7y ago
The Surface Book 2 is no question, hands-down one of the best pieces of kit I've ever ever owned, it's a phenomenal machine and I've not regretted moving back to Windows for a single second (except for a decent terminal, but that's almost here too)
- bt3 7y ago
  Check out Cmder[1]. Best terminal replacement I've used on Windows. 1: https://cmder.net/ https://cmder.net/
  - GordonS 7y ago
    Can echo this - I've used it for years on Windows, and find it better than iTerm or anything else on MacOS
- jeswin 7y ago
  When the battery dies on the Surface Book, you won't be able to repair it even at a Microsoft Support center. They will just take it back and offer a cheaper price on a replacement. With an iFixit repairability score of 1, it's ridiculously difficult to do the replacement yourself too. Having to throw out a fully functional device once the battery goes weak should be a practice that gets banned at least for the sake of the environment.
  - gamblor956 7y ago
    Microsoft itself does not replace batteries but UBreakIFix will replace Surface batteries for about $200.
- whywhywhywhy 7y ago
  >decent terminal https://github.com/felixse/FluentTerminal https://github.com/felixse/FluentTerminal is the closest I've found to the feel of the Mac one.
moksly 7y ago
I sold my MBP 2018 13” i5 and the only praise it’ll ever get for me is it’s resale value. I did have the box, and it was in perfect condition, but I almost got it’s original cost when I sold it to a refurbishment place. I replaced it with a Surface Pro 6 13” i5, which I was able to pick up for the money. And what a beast that little machine has been. I had a few worries going into it. Would it be able to sit on my lap and other laptopy places, was Windows going to be alright, what about development. Stuff like that. It can function as a laptop, in fact it’s probably the best machine I’ve ever had on my legs because the hot part doesn’t touch you. It can’t sit on your chest while you lie down, however, so it’s certainly not a full laptop replacement if you need those positions. Windows with WSL has been amazing though. The only thing I’ve missed from OS/X was iMessage integration, and that was already annoying because more and more of my connections have been switching to android. It’s probably the first device I’ve been genuinely excited about since I got my first smartphone, and ironically it feels like something Apple should’ve made. And not just the design, the ability to isolate your dev environment with suse enterprise is just so much better than containers on os/x. Probably not better than dual-booting if you need more speed, but I don’t.
jasonhansel 7y ago
Switch to Linux! (Yes, I know I'm one of those people.)
- halotrope 7y ago
  Just did. For work it is unbeatable. GUI is not annoying anymore
  - bschwindHN 7y ago
    Which GUI are you using which isn't annoying?
    - jasonhansel 7y ago
      I really like KDE but GNOME is more popular afaik.
      - bschwindHN 7y ago
        Is there a particular distribution's customizations that you like? I've tried Ubuntu/Gnome and Manjaro/KDE and thought both were pretty bad out of the box. I can go into more detail if necessary...
- abhijat 7y ago
  I asked my workplace if I could switch from the new macbook pro with the touchbar I got when I joined to linux on thinkpad (this was after a month of using the macbook pro btw), they agreed and I got an x1 carbon with ubuntu on it. So much better IMO, just the keyboard alone was worth the switch. I was a little worried I would miss the display but I really don't mind the smaller screen.
- ubermonkey 7y ago
  No.

madeofpalk 7y ago

Go give windows a try and report back. I've been using Windows for the past couple of weeks and, granted maybe I haven't really given it a chance, using it after using Macs for 10+ years is not great. Maybe developing on macOS has become a hassle (I don't see that, but sure), but doing everything on Windows is a hassle. Taking a screenshot. Opening the right file. Displaying UI at a reasonable scale. Think what you want of macOS 'recently', but Windows is just full of bets and decisions that show they're not really concerned about the user experience.

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rhacker 7y ago
Definitely agree here. I have a 2014 MBP. I can't let go of it. Last year I bought a brand new laptop with Windows 10 on it. I definitely think it is a major improvement over all Windows since XP (better than XP of course too). I told myself I have to eventually migrate... still hasn't happened. There's just no reason to dive into horrible Pythoning, Dockering, NodeJSing (do I have to bring up Node-Gyp?) For development Windows has a long way to go, even with WSL.
dpedu 7y ago
> Displaying UI at a reasonable scale. It's amazing how bad Windows still is at this. In my experience, connecting monitors of different densities results in crazy things breaking, like the "maximize window" feature.
- FireBeyond 7y ago
  It's also funny, though, how selectively we remember things. Only a few years ago Mac multi-monitor support was horrific. You couldn't straddle two screens with a window. And heaven help you if you were dealing with full screen, your second monitor was effectively disabled.
- mkl 7y ago
  My experience is totally different. I use monitors of different densities every day, and move things between them, etc. Nothing bad happens, and maximising just works. The only bad Windows density thing I run into is when I occasionally remote desktop into Windows Server 2012, which doesn't know about HiDPI or resolution changes, so if it starts on the wrong screen everything is hilariously tiny. That's fixed in more recent Windows Server versions.
- GordonS 7y ago
  I have a different experience. I connect to 3x HD monitors at work, one of which is portrait. At home I connect to a 3K monitor and a portrait 1980x1200 one. All works flawlessly for me.
blinkingled 7y ago
> Taking a screenshot. Opening the right file Former is PrtScn key on my keyboard. Microsoft ships Snipping Tools and lately Snip n Sketch for screenshots - never had any issues with either. Latter - not sure what you mean - opening the right file as in setting default program to open a file? That's easy enough and it's the best experience on Windows.
- anaisbetts 7y ago
  This is the Windows 7-era way to do this. Hit WindowsKey-Shift-S instead.
- dsego 7y ago
  PrtScn only if you want to paste it into an image editing program. If you want to save it as file (which is what most people do) than it's some combo. I still remember how it was common for people to send me word files with screenshots pasted, they didn't know better.
- madeofpalk 7y ago
  Press print screen and it does... I'm not sure what? I /remembered "Snipping Tool", so I searched for "Snip" and launched that, and it shows a menu that says like "Snipping Tool is deprecated, use Snip n Sketch" so you click that and a new app opens (but old one stays open as well) and you take your screenshot and then its open in a window that you have to go and save. I know I'm biased because its what I'm used to for 10 years, but on Mac I just have the (insane) cmd + shift + 4 shortcut engrained that'll snip a part of my screen and save to my Desktop. It's just so much quicker than Windows. re opening file: I miss Quicklook to make sure I have the right file selected. Also miss being able to drag a file into an open dialogue box to select it to open.
  - dsego 7y ago
    > Press print screen and it does... I'm not sure what? Copies it into the buffer, silently. No notification, nothing. Great UX. In Ubuntu it's even better, it actually saves it as an image file (and does the annoying shutter effect). But the repeat key is not turned off... so if by any chance you hold it down by mistake, thinking it was the right ctrl, oh boy, you get a shitstorm of shutter effects and dozens of screenshots in the pictures folder. Very annoying. I don't know which I hate more, Ubuntu or Windows.
taude 7y ago
Taking a screen shot hard on Windows? Windows-shift-S lets you grab a region vs macbook's shift-command-3 or 4 or 5, or whatever it is (I don't currentlyy have a mac). anyway, I will say that WSL is a lot better than what we had, but it's no where near as great as terminal working on the Mac. Maybe WSL 2.0 will be better. But I do miss my Mac tooling.
- madeofpalk 7y ago
  > Windows-shift-S Thanks, I didn't know about this! I'll give it a go! I've been using Lightshot to try and make screenshot taking a bit more bearable, but its still no cmd-shift-4 drag region and have a screenshot on my desktop.
  - taude 7y ago
    I was using Greenshot or Snagit until I learned this recently, myself.
  - bhauer 7y ago
    The printscreen button also loads the current screen into the clipboard. You can find all keyboard shortcuts here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12445/windows-keyboard-shortcuts https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12445/windows-keybo...
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p1necone 7y ago
Eh, as someone who's primarily used Windows (and a bit of Linux with xfce) for my entire life I find Macs basically unusable (seriously how do I browse the file system). I think it's more of a question of familiarity than anything else.
- jimpudar 7y ago
  What do you find lacking in Finder for browsing the filesystem? Also, Spotlight tends to work great for me whereas Windows search almost never finds what I want. You also have the terminal, so you're free to `cd`, `find`, `locate`, etc...
  - x0x0 7y ago
    tab completion also works in Finder. You can open it with command-G
- _coveredInBees 7y ago
  I hear you about Finder. Windows File explorer seems a lot easier and more feature rich compared to Finder. The single most annoying thing is that there is no easy/ obvious way to grab the path to a file/folder in Finder, which seems like the most basic of features. I did figure out a keyboard shortcut at some point, but Finder feels so dated as a file manager.
  - chipotle_coyote 7y ago
    If the Path bar is visible, you can right-click at any point along the path of the selected file and select "Copy Path." You can also just drag an icon from a Finder window into any window that accepts text, including Terminal, and it'll paste the fully qualified path right in. I always used to find Windows File Explorer to be the one that was less feature-rich, but I haven't used it in... we'll just say a shamefully long time. But as someone who got used to Macs an equally long time ago, I've wondered if it's because the Mac seemed to make drag-and-drop such a central way of manipulating files and Windows emphasized "select object - select operation" as its central metaphor. If you're used to one way, moving to other system feels weird and clunky.
wklauss 7y ago
> Maybe developing on macOS has become a hassle (I don't see that, but sure), but doing everything on Windows is a hassle. I have Windows installed on a Bootcamp partition on my Macbook Pro. Aside from the hassle and quirks of a different operating systems (coming from MacOS I find Windows extremely lacking in UX), I find perplexing the way Windows handles color profiles. Same computer, same screen, but everything is super saturated in Windows. In some websites with a lot of color in the background it can be jarring.
- GordonS 7y ago
  I run Windows in Bootcamp too, but gods the keyboard and especially the trackpad are horrendous. I have the 2016 model, and hate the keyboard even in MacOS, but it's really obvious that Apple have deliberately crippled the Windows drivers. I eventually came across trackpad++, which at least renders it usable, but still unpleasant - I travel with a USB mouse these days (sigh, which obviously means a USB dongle for the MBP...).

jiveturkey 7y ago

i'm surprised anyone can develop on a laptop keyboard anyway. an interesting product would be a keyboard sleeve. it doubles as a carry sleeve when the macbook is closed.

gilesgate 7y ago
Not really surprising. Old MBA 2013 has an awesome keyboard for coding (and is overall a great terminal device), and the Apple Wireless is identical to some MBA/MBP keyboards. The effective distance between the keys and the overall general width of the keyboard are pretty much en par with "proper" desktop keyboards, with excellent responsiveness and key travel. The MBP 2018 is another deal altogether, obviously. Sad, sad story.

dpedu 7y ago

The Surface Book 2's (the model I own) keyboard is probably one of the best laptop keyboard on the market today. Proper key travel and spacing and it's even backlit. I particularly like that they volume controls are on F1-F3 since they plus the Fn key can be operated single-handedly. I just wish it ran Linux better - I find Windows unusable.

BinaryIdiot 7y ago
I own a Surface Book 2 and a Surface Laptop 2. Both are amazing but I find the Laptop 2's keyboard better because of the fabric on it (which sounds bizarre). Either way, except for some Windows annoyances I really don't miss my MacBooks.
Diggsey 7y ago
When I first got it, it was fantastic, the best laptop keyboard I've ever used - over time the keys have got a little squishy though. Not enough to be an issue but it does make be a bit sad... I had a Surface Pro 4 before this and the keyboard on that was also amazing despite a much smaller size, and the keys didn't degrade at all.
PretzelFisch 7y ago
I love the Surface Book 2's keyboard, but it's trackpad still leaves a lot of room for improvement.
halotrope 7y ago
I just installed Ubuntu on mine and after updating the kernel with surface drivers[1] It works surprisingly well (Touch works, detach clipboard, nvidia-gpu, function keys). Its really a great linux machine tbh 1 https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface

abtinf 7y ago

I also dislike the keyboards, but it’s not quite enough to prevent me from buying one. The real showstopper is that the keyboard is an almost certain failure point and fixing it means a multi-week wait. Losing my primary machine for such a long time would be a catastrophe. With Lenovo and Dell, I can easily add a 5 year next-business-day on-site service warranty—for the same price as AppleCare+. But AppleCare has no business-class warranty service options, just shitty mail-in service. I bought a ThinkPad P1 recently. There was an issue with the touchpad I noticed as soon as I unboxed it. I called Lenovo Premier support, which has no wait time and no phone menu: calls are answered by a highly autonomous support agent (I believe in Florida) who can do whatever is needed to fix the problem. By noon the next day, technician was onsite and replaced the entire top half of the unit (equivalent to the MacBook keyboard repair).

oliyoung 7y ago

The Surface Book 2 is no question, hands-down one of the best pieces of kit I've ever ever owned, it's a phenomenal machine and I've not regretted moving back to Windows for a single second (except for a decent terminal, but that's almost here too)

bt3 7y ago
Check out Cmder[1]. Best terminal replacement I've used on Windows. 1: https://cmder.net/ https://cmder.net/
- GordonS 7y ago
  Can echo this - I've used it for years on Windows, and find it better than iTerm or anything else on MacOS
jeswin 7y ago
When the battery dies on the Surface Book, you won't be able to repair it even at a Microsoft Support center. They will just take it back and offer a cheaper price on a replacement. With an iFixit repairability score of 1, it's ridiculously difficult to do the replacement yourself too. Having to throw out a fully functional device once the battery goes weak should be a practice that gets banned at least for the sake of the environment.
- gamblor956 7y ago
  Microsoft itself does not replace batteries but UBreakIFix will replace Surface batteries for about $200.
whywhywhywhy 7y ago
>decent terminal https://github.com/felixse/FluentTerminal https://github.com/felixse/FluentTerminal is the closest I've found to the feel of the Mac one.

moksly 7y ago

I sold my MBP 2018 13” i5 and the only praise it’ll ever get for me is it’s resale value. I did have the box, and it was in perfect condition, but I almost got it’s original cost when I sold it to a refurbishment place. I replaced it with a Surface Pro 6 13” i5, which I was able to pick up for the money. And what a beast that little machine has been. I had a few worries going into it. Would it be able to sit on my lap and other laptopy places, was Windows going to be alright, what about development. Stuff like that. It can function as a laptop, in fact it’s probably the best machine I’ve ever had on my legs because the hot part doesn’t touch you. It can’t sit on your chest while you lie down, however, so it’s certainly not a full laptop replacement if you need those positions. Windows with WSL has been amazing though. The only thing I’ve missed from OS/X was iMessage integration, and that was already annoying because more and more of my connections have been switching to android. It’s probably the first device I’ve been genuinely excited about since I got my first smartphone, and ironically it feels like something Apple should’ve made. And not just the design, the ability to isolate your dev environment with suse enterprise is just so much better than containers on os/x. Probably not better than dual-booting if you need more speed, but I don’t.

jasonhansel 7y ago

Switch to Linux! (Yes, I know I'm one of those people.)

halotrope 7y ago
Just did. For work it is unbeatable. GUI is not annoying anymore
- bschwindHN 7y ago
  Which GUI are you using which isn't annoying?
  - jasonhansel 7y ago
    I really like KDE but GNOME is more popular afaik.
    - bschwindHN 7y ago
      Is there a particular distribution's customizations that you like? I've tried Ubuntu/Gnome and Manjaro/KDE and thought both were pretty bad out of the box. I can go into more detail if necessary...
abhijat 7y ago
I asked my workplace if I could switch from the new macbook pro with the touchbar I got when I joined to linux on thinkpad (this was after a month of using the macbook pro btw), they agreed and I got an x1 carbon with ubuntu on it. So much better IMO, just the keyboard alone was worth the switch. I was a little worried I would miss the display but I really don't mind the smaller screen.
ubermonkey 7y ago
No.