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Yes, let's all cheer on the guy who has open disdain for his customers. I wonder what he calls his health club customers behind closed doors.

EGreg 7y ago
Probably similar to what Mark Zuckerberg called people who trusted him with their data :) https://www.businessinsider.com/embarrassing-and-damaging-zuckerberg-ims-confirmed-by-zuckerberg-the-new-yorker-2010-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/embarrassing-and-damaging-zu... ZUCK: yea so if you ever need info about anyone at harvard ZUCK: just ask ZUCK: i have over 4000 emails, pictures, addresses, sns FRIEND: what!? how'd you manage that one? ZUCK: people just submitted it ZUCK: i don't know why ZUCK: they "trust me" ZUCK: dumb fucks
- imulligan 7y ago
  TY for Posting truths
- askafriend 7y ago
  He was 19. This is a stupid meme that always gets posted.
- skinnymuch 7y ago
  I doubt almost anyone on HN is squeaky clean with what they said and wrote as a teenager.
  - eitland 7y ago
    Correct. Problem is in this particular case it seems highly relevant today as well.
  - EGreg 7y ago
    I don’t see how that’s relevant. Can’t the same thing be said of the OP’s main character? Why have a story at all? The point was that Mark Z had the same attitude about the people who shared their data with FB, and the history is replete with FB abusing that trust in myriad ways. Is Mark Z still a teenager? And furthermore, that other CEO guy reformed. Does that mean the story is pointless? Here is the real point. Both this CEO and young Mark Z were right. They were selling crap and people were buying it. People really did simply share their info and back then Zuck was a little taken aback. The point is that we all collectively as a society buy De Beers and we have collectively begun thinking it’s totally cool to trust some third party with all our private data just so they can connect us. So this is actually a critique of society and how we do exactly the things that they said were pretty dumb - and we really enjoy doing them!
  - digitaltrees 7y ago
    His behavior since then shows very similar contempt for users, privacy, or the rule of law.
  - digitaltrees 7y ago
    He wasn’t a teenager.
    - tomhoward 7y ago
      He was 19. Neuroscientists tell us that in most people, the pre-frontal cortex (the rational decision-making part of the brain) doesn't fully form till the mid 20s, which is why everyone says douchey things, well into their 20s. We have no idea what his real thinking/motivation was behind that comment, but a combination of adolescent bravado and incredulity that this stupid little app he'd hacked together was working so well would suffice, at least as well as casting him as a 19-year-old moustache-twirling super-villain-in-the-making would. This is the one-and-only such quote of his from that period that gets invoked. If that's the most scandalous piece of dirt anyone could dig up on him from his entire early life, he's not doing too badly. I sure as hell wouldn't fare so well.
      - digitaltrees 7y ago
        People typically refer to 13-18 as teenage. 18 and over. College in general is referred to as young adult or even adult.
        tomhoward 7y ago
        It's a pedantic point and it doesn't contradict anything I wrote in the rest of the comment.
        digitaltrees 7y ago
        Saying he was a teenager to excuse the morally questionable behavior and reduce his culpability is invalid when he isn’t really a teenager based on legal standards. He would be tried as an adult in any legal proceeding and fully morally and legally responsible for his actions. So my point stands. Pedantic doesn’t mean anything relevant to this conversation.
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- scbrg 7y ago
  I dislike Zuck as much as anyone, and probably more than most. But. I really don't understand why people whine about this particular quote. I think this may be one of the best things I've seen come from him. He is perfectly, one hundred percent correct. They are dumb fucks for trusting him. Zuck isn't a terrible person for saying that dumb fucks are dumb fucks. He's a terrible person for building a platform exploiting dumb fucks. He's a terrible person for everything except this particular conversation. Not the other way around.
dymk 7y ago
He had distain for his product, not his customers. Self deprecation isn’t the same as insulting others.

EGreg 7y ago

Probably similar to what Mark Zuckerberg called people who trusted him with their data :) https://www.businessinsider.com/embarrassing-and-damaging-zuckerberg-ims-confirmed-by-zuckerberg-the-new-yorker-2010-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/embarrassing-and-damaging-zu... ZUCK: yea so if you ever need info about anyone at harvard ZUCK: just ask ZUCK: i have over 4000 emails, pictures, addresses, sns FRIEND: what!? how'd you manage that one? ZUCK: people just submitted it ZUCK: i don't know why ZUCK: they "trust me" ZUCK: dumb fucks

imulligan 7y ago
TY for Posting truths
askafriend 7y ago
He was 19. This is a stupid meme that always gets posted.
skinnymuch 7y ago
I doubt almost anyone on HN is squeaky clean with what they said and wrote as a teenager.
- eitland 7y ago
  Correct. Problem is in this particular case it seems highly relevant today as well.
- EGreg 7y ago
  I don’t see how that’s relevant. Can’t the same thing be said of the OP’s main character? Why have a story at all? The point was that Mark Z had the same attitude about the people who shared their data with FB, and the history is replete with FB abusing that trust in myriad ways. Is Mark Z still a teenager? And furthermore, that other CEO guy reformed. Does that mean the story is pointless? Here is the real point. Both this CEO and young Mark Z were right. They were selling crap and people were buying it. People really did simply share their info and back then Zuck was a little taken aback. The point is that we all collectively as a society buy De Beers and we have collectively begun thinking it’s totally cool to trust some third party with all our private data just so they can connect us. So this is actually a critique of society and how we do exactly the things that they said were pretty dumb - and we really enjoy doing them!
- digitaltrees 7y ago
  His behavior since then shows very similar contempt for users, privacy, or the rule of law.
- digitaltrees 7y ago
  He wasn’t a teenager.
  - tomhoward 7y ago
    He was 19. Neuroscientists tell us that in most people, the pre-frontal cortex (the rational decision-making part of the brain) doesn't fully form till the mid 20s, which is why everyone says douchey things, well into their 20s. We have no idea what his real thinking/motivation was behind that comment, but a combination of adolescent bravado and incredulity that this stupid little app he'd hacked together was working so well would suffice, at least as well as casting him as a 19-year-old moustache-twirling super-villain-in-the-making would. This is the one-and-only such quote of his from that period that gets invoked. If that's the most scandalous piece of dirt anyone could dig up on him from his entire early life, he's not doing too badly. I sure as hell wouldn't fare so well.
    - digitaltrees 7y ago
      People typically refer to 13-18 as teenage. 18 and over. College in general is referred to as young adult or even adult.
      - tomhoward 7y ago
        It's a pedantic point and it doesn't contradict anything I wrote in the rest of the comment.
        digitaltrees 7y ago
        Saying he was a teenager to excuse the morally questionable behavior and reduce his culpability is invalid when he isn’t really a teenager based on legal standards. He would be tried as an adult in any legal proceeding and fully morally and legally responsible for his actions. So my point stands. Pedantic doesn’t mean anything relevant to this conversation.
        7y ago
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scbrg 7y ago
I dislike Zuck as much as anyone, and probably more than most. But. I really don't understand why people whine about this particular quote. I think this may be one of the best things I've seen come from him. He is perfectly, one hundred percent correct. They are dumb fucks for trusting him. Zuck isn't a terrible person for saying that dumb fucks are dumb fucks. He's a terrible person for building a platform exploiting dumb fucks. He's a terrible person for everything except this particular conversation. Not the other way around.

dymk 7y ago

He had distain for his product, not his customers. Self deprecation isn’t the same as insulting others.