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> a democracy in the vein of Western liberal democracy with enlightenment values I might add that I don't disagree with the Indian government being Hindu natio

> a democracy in the vein of Western liberal democracy with enlightenment values I might add that I don't disagree with the Indian government being Hindu nationalistic, and I am happy to discuss the flaws of the Indian government, but not under this notion that we are somehow in the same bucket as China, and that only the west is holy in the world.

Despegar 7y ago
>but not under this notion that we are somehow in the same bucket as China I didn't say India was the same as China. >and that only the west is holy in the world. If you're a minority of any kind, you're better off living in a Western liberal democracy than anywhere else in the world. That doesn't make it "holy", but that does make it better.
- sachdevap 7y ago
  Umm ... Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis are all minorities in India. India has it's own share of troubles in minority relations, but they are no different from the race issues dealt with in many western democracies. Does the US count as a Western liberal democracy? Because the incarceration rates of Black people in the US would certainly suggest otherwise. The biggest factor in how well off people are in any country is economics, so unless you match up the economic factors, making any comparison of this sort is not useful. India's treatment of minorities is much better compared to the treatment of minorities in Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka. While China is not a fair comparison because of different economic models, India does much better than China none the less.
  - gingabriska 7y ago
    >Does the US count as a Western liberal democracy? In US, you are free to eat beef. And some people have depression which is reportedly only gets better if they consume beef. You can Google "read meat+depression" to learn more. If you are in India, pretty sure it will be very difficult for anyone to follow that diet. Where is freedom of speech in India? All these things are anti minority.
    - sachdevap 7y ago
      Marijuana has medical uses and relieves anxiety for a lot of people, and yet the US is beholden to pharmas pushing addictive drugs while so many sit jailed for minor marijuana possession charges. I am pretty sure that is a violation of rights too. The availability of low cost prescription drugs definitely is a part of fixing class warfare, that the US is doing nothing about. And last I checked, chicken, lamb, pork are meats too, and the studies are on vegetarians and there are contradicting studies too. And if you want to tell me that people need to eat only beef to get better, then you better have some solid evidence for that. India needs work in free speech, no doubt. But minorities do get to have a voice. They are free to participate in the democracy, publish newspapers, write books (and there are plenty of books written about addressing casteism in India). I never argued India is perfect. I am just telling people to get off the high horse. There are things India does better than the US too. And unless the west is willing to absorb the Asian population, the comparison is particularly useless since people are not just going to be uprooted and moved to the US.

Despegar 7y ago

>but not under this notion that we are somehow in the same bucket as China I didn't say India was the same as China. >and that only the west is holy in the world. If you're a minority of any kind, you're better off living in a Western liberal democracy than anywhere else in the world. That doesn't make it "holy", but that does make it better.

sachdevap 7y ago
Umm ... Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis are all minorities in India. India has it's own share of troubles in minority relations, but they are no different from the race issues dealt with in many western democracies. Does the US count as a Western liberal democracy? Because the incarceration rates of Black people in the US would certainly suggest otherwise. The biggest factor in how well off people are in any country is economics, so unless you match up the economic factors, making any comparison of this sort is not useful. India's treatment of minorities is much better compared to the treatment of minorities in Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka. While China is not a fair comparison because of different economic models, India does much better than China none the less.
- gingabriska 7y ago
  >Does the US count as a Western liberal democracy? In US, you are free to eat beef. And some people have depression which is reportedly only gets better if they consume beef. You can Google "read meat+depression" to learn more. If you are in India, pretty sure it will be very difficult for anyone to follow that diet. Where is freedom of speech in India? All these things are anti minority.
  - sachdevap 7y ago
    Marijuana has medical uses and relieves anxiety for a lot of people, and yet the US is beholden to pharmas pushing addictive drugs while so many sit jailed for minor marijuana possession charges. I am pretty sure that is a violation of rights too. The availability of low cost prescription drugs definitely is a part of fixing class warfare, that the US is doing nothing about. And last I checked, chicken, lamb, pork are meats too, and the studies are on vegetarians and there are contradicting studies too. And if you want to tell me that people need to eat only beef to get better, then you better have some solid evidence for that. India needs work in free speech, no doubt. But minorities do get to have a voice. They are free to participate in the democracy, publish newspapers, write books (and there are plenty of books written about addressing casteism in India). I never argued India is perfect. I am just telling people to get off the high horse. There are things India does better than the US too. And unless the west is willing to absorb the Asian population, the comparison is particularly useless since people are not just going to be uprooted and moved to the US.