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>A few months after the engagement no one will ever care for the rest of your life, A big fat white stone on a finger will draw eyes for so long as a woman wea

>A few months after the engagement no one will ever care for the rest of your life, A big fat white stone on a finger will draw eyes for so long as a woman wears it. Every woman your wife meets will make a judgement call based on that ring for the next 20 years.

9nGQluzmnq3M 7y ago
Buy a big fat moissanite or cubic zirconia, and no woman will ever be able to tell the difference.
- anon1m0us 7y ago
  A man who does that signals that he buys into all the social hype, but is too cheap to really buy in ... and he'll be forcing his wife to either reveal that or perpetuate a lie. Why not just be a real man, speak and live the truth. Eschew the lies. Why can't we all just do that as a society? It doesn't matter how much you love each other or your mutual respect? Why do rings even matter? It's the kind of irrational behavior that has destroyed an entire planet!
  - scarejunba 7y ago
    This comment sounds so much like a spambot I decided to see what GPT-2 would generate for "Real men don't buy fake diamonds": > Real men don't buy fake diamonds. They buy real diamond rings. Fake diamonds just aren't worth anything, let alone being used for a marriage contract. So I'll be keeping the diamond wedding. It also produced this beauty: Real men don't buy fake diamonds. Fake men don't pay fake taxes. Fake men don't lie about their motives. Fake men can't read. Fake men can't keep their promises. Fake men know how to hide from the truth. Fake men can't make promises they can't keep. Fake men can't even tell the truth when they think nobody cares, if everybody's watching. Fake men lie just because they can. Fake men are the same as us. They just don't know we're watching.
    - reificator 7y ago
      > This comment sounds so much like a spambot Do you think the comment you're replying to is against fake diamonds because they want you to buy real diamonds?
      - scarejunba 7y ago
        The comment expresses the view that the whole diamond thing is bollocks. It's just oddly melodramatic in my opinion and takes these wild swings that spam comments on my WordPress blog take.
    - toomanybeersies 7y ago
      Wow, that looks exactly like some kind of "motivational quote" that my relatives might post on Facebook. I wonder if you attributed this to some famous person and seeded it on the internet somewhere, how far it would travel.
      - TheOtherHobbes 7y ago
        One of the first signs that we're moving into a post-AI world will be an AI New Age guru-bot running a self-branded business generating "inspiring" quotes, books, and YT vids with no human intervention.
        Nasrudith 7y ago
        Ah relative AI advancement - smarter than humans only because some have degraded themselves to be indistinguishable from literal noise.
    - artsyca 7y ago
      Can you release this through Creative Commons in some form?
    - artsyca 7y ago
      >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJxLtdur5fc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJxLtdur5fc Of interest in relation to GPT-2
  - privateSFacct 7y ago
    Not sure why you are getting downvoted. The guys who get women fake diamonds may result in an uncomfortable partner when someone wows over the diamond. In my case my wife was a scientist - so a man made diamond was perfect. Same thing physically, less likely to have a conflict origin. My advice, if you know your partner well - get something that works for them. For some that's a diamond.
  - hnick 7y ago
    I wouldn't go that far. He may well not buy in to the social hype, but understand that it exists and begrudgingly play the game his own way for appearances only. It'd be the smartest move in many cases. The game is rigged so lying to beat it isn't something I'd condemn, especially if his wife is of the same mind. I definitely agree with your last point, but wasting resources to display fitness is found all across the animal kingdom and sadly it doesn't seem like we've moved past that yet as a species.
  - toomanybeersies 7y ago
    I know plenty of people with "diamondesque" jewellery and I think they look great. There's more reasons to buy jewellery than just social hype.
  - jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
    Or... >buy fake diamonds >lie to everyone, including spouse >fudge the books so spouse can't see suspiciously low-ball jeweler transaction >launder savings through local cash-money businesses >use hypnotic sedatives to repress memories of the lie
- m463 7y ago
  I saw a program on TV about this guy who would marry women, take all their money, and leave. One of the victims was interviewed, and when she confronted the guy with doubts of his sincerity and asked whether the ring he gave her was even real, he took it and made a big scratch in a mirror with the stone to prove it was a real diamond. Later she said, "After he disappeared, I discovered that cubic zirconia can also scratch glass"
- vel0city 7y ago
  I'll preface this as stating I am not a gem snob and truly do not care what people wear. My wife and I went with a moissanite and we're perfectly happy with our decision for her engagement ring, and will probably buy more moissanite in the future. That said, when it comes to cubic zirconia the stone will definitely scratch with regular wear over several years. If you see a clear stone with scratches, its obviously not a diamond/moissanite and probably cz. To a careful observer, its also not incredibly difficult to tell the difference between diamond/moissanite/cz with the right lighting. Cubic Zirconia lacks the refractive index to really match the brilliance of a similar diamond/moissanite. Ultimately though I fully agree with the idea of wear whatever you think looks good.
693471 7y ago
Those women aren't worth being friends with
liability 7y ago
Or you/your wife could just find better friends that won't judge you for such petty crap. Believe it or not, materialist obsession with conspicuous consumption is not universal.
- asfarley 7y ago
  I used to feel this way until I read about the costly signalling in terms of game theory. Maybe this type of signalling isn't universal but it definitely serves a (not-always-evil) purpose.
  - liability 7y ago
    'Petty' fails to meet my bar for 'evil', but whatever. Try your best then, explain to me in terms of game theory why I should want friends who judge me for not purchasing overpriced jewelry.
    - michaelt 7y ago
      Because a friendship has multiple aspects and you've determined the friendship taken as a whole is a net benefit to you. For example, maybe they have a great sense of humour, or give good advice, or they invite you to things you like the sound of, or you share a great many interests with them.
      - liability 7y ago
        > For example, maybe they have a great sense of humour, or give good advice If they think failure to purchase a diamond makes you a lesser person in any way, I sincerely doubt either of those might still be true...
    - asfarley 7y ago
      The theory is not that 'failing to buy over-priced jewelry is bad'. The theory is that buying high-priced jewelry is a stronger signal of commitment than buying cheap jewelry. This is because, if someone is not comitted, it's easier to demonstrate commitment falsely to many people by purchasing large quantities of cheap jewelry. Buying over-priced items forces the person signalling committment to put their money where their mouth is. Think of it as the cost of fake commitment; our culture of wedding-rings, etc, is an attempt to increase the cost of fake commitment.
op00to 7y ago
And my wife would use that information to discount whatever shallow, materialistic fools judge her by her jewelry choice.

9nGQluzmnq3M 7y ago

Buy a big fat moissanite or cubic zirconia, and no woman will ever be able to tell the difference.

anon1m0us 7y ago
A man who does that signals that he buys into all the social hype, but is too cheap to really buy in ... and he'll be forcing his wife to either reveal that or perpetuate a lie. Why not just be a real man, speak and live the truth. Eschew the lies. Why can't we all just do that as a society? It doesn't matter how much you love each other or your mutual respect? Why do rings even matter? It's the kind of irrational behavior that has destroyed an entire planet!
- scarejunba 7y ago
  This comment sounds so much like a spambot I decided to see what GPT-2 would generate for "Real men don't buy fake diamonds": > Real men don't buy fake diamonds. They buy real diamond rings. Fake diamonds just aren't worth anything, let alone being used for a marriage contract. So I'll be keeping the diamond wedding. It also produced this beauty: Real men don't buy fake diamonds. Fake men don't pay fake taxes. Fake men don't lie about their motives. Fake men can't read. Fake men can't keep their promises. Fake men know how to hide from the truth. Fake men can't make promises they can't keep. Fake men can't even tell the truth when they think nobody cares, if everybody's watching. Fake men lie just because they can. Fake men are the same as us. They just don't know we're watching.
  - reificator 7y ago
    > This comment sounds so much like a spambot Do you think the comment you're replying to is against fake diamonds because they want you to buy real diamonds?
    - scarejunba 7y ago
      The comment expresses the view that the whole diamond thing is bollocks. It's just oddly melodramatic in my opinion and takes these wild swings that spam comments on my WordPress blog take.
  - toomanybeersies 7y ago
    Wow, that looks exactly like some kind of "motivational quote" that my relatives might post on Facebook. I wonder if you attributed this to some famous person and seeded it on the internet somewhere, how far it would travel.
    - TheOtherHobbes 7y ago
      One of the first signs that we're moving into a post-AI world will be an AI New Age guru-bot running a self-branded business generating "inspiring" quotes, books, and YT vids with no human intervention.
      - Nasrudith 7y ago
        Ah relative AI advancement - smarter than humans only because some have degraded themselves to be indistinguishable from literal noise.
  - artsyca 7y ago
    Can you release this through Creative Commons in some form?
  - artsyca 7y ago
    >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJxLtdur5fc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJxLtdur5fc Of interest in relation to GPT-2
- privateSFacct 7y ago
  Not sure why you are getting downvoted. The guys who get women fake diamonds may result in an uncomfortable partner when someone wows over the diamond. In my case my wife was a scientist - so a man made diamond was perfect. Same thing physically, less likely to have a conflict origin. My advice, if you know your partner well - get something that works for them. For some that's a diamond.
- hnick 7y ago
  I wouldn't go that far. He may well not buy in to the social hype, but understand that it exists and begrudgingly play the game his own way for appearances only. It'd be the smartest move in many cases. The game is rigged so lying to beat it isn't something I'd condemn, especially if his wife is of the same mind. I definitely agree with your last point, but wasting resources to display fitness is found all across the animal kingdom and sadly it doesn't seem like we've moved past that yet as a species.
- toomanybeersies 7y ago
  I know plenty of people with "diamondesque" jewellery and I think they look great. There's more reasons to buy jewellery than just social hype.
- jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
  Or... >buy fake diamonds >lie to everyone, including spouse >fudge the books so spouse can't see suspiciously low-ball jeweler transaction >launder savings through local cash-money businesses >use hypnotic sedatives to repress memories of the lie
m463 7y ago
I saw a program on TV about this guy who would marry women, take all their money, and leave. One of the victims was interviewed, and when she confronted the guy with doubts of his sincerity and asked whether the ring he gave her was even real, he took it and made a big scratch in a mirror with the stone to prove it was a real diamond. Later she said, "After he disappeared, I discovered that cubic zirconia can also scratch glass"
vel0city 7y ago
I'll preface this as stating I am not a gem snob and truly do not care what people wear. My wife and I went with a moissanite and we're perfectly happy with our decision for her engagement ring, and will probably buy more moissanite in the future. That said, when it comes to cubic zirconia the stone will definitely scratch with regular wear over several years. If you see a clear stone with scratches, its obviously not a diamond/moissanite and probably cz. To a careful observer, its also not incredibly difficult to tell the difference between diamond/moissanite/cz with the right lighting. Cubic Zirconia lacks the refractive index to really match the brilliance of a similar diamond/moissanite. Ultimately though I fully agree with the idea of wear whatever you think looks good.

693471 7y ago

Those women aren't worth being friends with

liability 7y ago

Or you/your wife could just find better friends that won't judge you for such petty crap. Believe it or not, materialist obsession with conspicuous consumption is not universal.

asfarley 7y ago
I used to feel this way until I read about the costly signalling in terms of game theory. Maybe this type of signalling isn't universal but it definitely serves a (not-always-evil) purpose.
- liability 7y ago
  'Petty' fails to meet my bar for 'evil', but whatever. Try your best then, explain to me in terms of game theory why I should want friends who judge me for not purchasing overpriced jewelry.
  - michaelt 7y ago
    Because a friendship has multiple aspects and you've determined the friendship taken as a whole is a net benefit to you. For example, maybe they have a great sense of humour, or give good advice, or they invite you to things you like the sound of, or you share a great many interests with them.
    - liability 7y ago
      > For example, maybe they have a great sense of humour, or give good advice If they think failure to purchase a diamond makes you a lesser person in any way, I sincerely doubt either of those might still be true...
  - asfarley 7y ago
    The theory is not that 'failing to buy over-priced jewelry is bad'. The theory is that buying high-priced jewelry is a stronger signal of commitment than buying cheap jewelry. This is because, if someone is not comitted, it's easier to demonstrate commitment falsely to many people by purchasing large quantities of cheap jewelry. Buying over-priced items forces the person signalling committment to put their money where their mouth is. Think of it as the cost of fake commitment; our culture of wedding-rings, etc, is an attempt to increase the cost of fake commitment.

op00to 7y ago

And my wife would use that information to discount whatever shallow, materialistic fools judge her by her jewelry choice.