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This is a valid reason to consider a trade school model ("coding bootcamps") to fill this niche. Let Computer Science programs focus on the Computer "Science",

This is a valid reason to consider a trade school model ("coding bootcamps") to fill this niche. Let Computer Science programs focus on the Computer "Science", while trade schools focus on fulfilling direct company needs. Of course, we need a _ton_ more oversight involved to ensure that bootcamps are actually graduating people with a job-ready skillset.

dyarosla 7y ago
This won’t happen until the signalling that comes with hiring from [elite school] diminishes and/or the signalling that comes with hiring from [code bootcamp] surpasses it.
- dentemple 7y ago
  The signaling from [elite school] doesn't matter as much (to that applicant's competitors) if there aren't enough elite school graduates to fill positions. A startup can hold out for MIT grads for as long as they want, but they ain't getting one if every other startup is doing the same. _Someone_ is getting hired at the end of the day. A company that's looking to grow rapidly can't hold out forever.
  - dyarosla 7y ago
    I mean yes, some bootcamps have started cementing their own signal too (see Lambda) but I don’t know whether that many code bootcamps will surpass [second tier schools]’ signals. You are right tho that there will be a supply problem either way.
- bdcravens 7y ago
  If bootcamps churn out employees who are productive from day 1 that will fix the problem. However, when you see a resume from a bootcamper who over the course of 4 months learned Linux, AWS, Javascript, jQuery, Node, SQL, Ruby on Rails, and React, it invites skepticism.
bdcravens 7y ago
As long as you can avoid the bootcamps that try to teach you 3-4 frameworks/languages in a 4 month program. You could spend 4 months just getting good at bash.
flukus 7y ago
Trade schools don't turn out people ready to be productive on day 1 either. People that complete trade schools will be partnered up with more experienced people, either informally or as part of some apprenticeship model, they'll be doing grunt work for quite a while. Experience matters and it's not something you get in any school.
mattmcknight 7y ago
The article is talking about "Software Engineering" not Computer Science.

dyarosla 7y ago

This won’t happen until the signalling that comes with hiring from [elite school] diminishes and/or the signalling that comes with hiring from [code bootcamp] surpasses it.

dentemple 7y ago
The signaling from [elite school] doesn't matter as much (to that applicant's competitors) if there aren't enough elite school graduates to fill positions. A startup can hold out for MIT grads for as long as they want, but they ain't getting one if every other startup is doing the same. _Someone_ is getting hired at the end of the day. A company that's looking to grow rapidly can't hold out forever.
- dyarosla 7y ago
  I mean yes, some bootcamps have started cementing their own signal too (see Lambda) but I don’t know whether that many code bootcamps will surpass [second tier schools]’ signals. You are right tho that there will be a supply problem either way.
bdcravens 7y ago
If bootcamps churn out employees who are productive from day 1 that will fix the problem. However, when you see a resume from a bootcamper who over the course of 4 months learned Linux, AWS, Javascript, jQuery, Node, SQL, Ruby on Rails, and React, it invites skepticism.

bdcravens 7y ago

As long as you can avoid the bootcamps that try to teach you 3-4 frameworks/languages in a 4 month program. You could spend 4 months just getting good at bash.

flukus 7y ago

Trade schools don't turn out people ready to be productive on day 1 either. People that complete trade schools will be partnered up with more experienced people, either informally or as part of some apprenticeship model, they'll be doing grunt work for quite a while. Experience matters and it's not something you get in any school.

mattmcknight 7y ago

The article is talking about "Software Engineering" not Computer Science.