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If I wanted to use RTP for my business- do any third-party processors offer it already?

moftz 7y ago
Paypal (and subsequently Venmo) offers it. I've "instant transfered" money from eBay sales right to my account. They do charge a 1% fee (up to $25) versus zero fees for classic ACH transfer. If I need the money right away, I'll pay the 1% but I usually can wait the couple days.
- GhettoMaestro 7y ago
  Yup. Just transferred $2K from my PayPal account (ebay sales) to my checking account. Slight clarification: PayPal caps the transfer fees at $10.
  - pbreit 7y ago
    Folks do realize that paying 1% to speed up a transfer by 1-2 days is equivalent to a 180%-365% interest loan?
    - patio11 7y ago
      In many cases they’ll be paying 1% of e.g. $40 either to avoid having to think about this any more or because they have extremely toothy consequences to not having the cash today. e.g. The implicit interest rate on an NSF fee if they don’t fund the $10 overdraft currently happening on their checking account due to the rent check being deposited, which they have 3 hours to cover before the cutoff, is on the order of 3.8e200%. ($35 interest to borrow $10 for a day.)
      - pbreit 7y ago
        My sense is that's the vast minority. I think most of the % fee-based "instant withdrawals" are done without understanding the effective APR. "It's only 1%!"
        moftz 7y ago
        Venmo used to have a flat fee of $0.25 then they changed it to 1%. I'm guessing for most people, it would never be a problem since most people are usually only sending small amounts to eachother on Venmo (paying someone back for lunch or splitting utilities) but now Paypal gets a larger cut of people doing instant transfer of things like rent payments.
    - GhettoMaestro 7y ago
      I love when folks over-analyze stuff like this. I had $2K in my Paypal account. I had about $1200 in my primary checking account. And another few Gs in savings. I needed to pay a $2700 expense. I could have transfered from the savings, but you are restricted to the number of times per year you can do that, without penalty. TLDR: I have no problem sacrificing $10 to get immediate access to another $2K in cash, with the thought co-resident in my mind that I do not want to incur any potential savings -> checking with-drawl penalties. The APR in this case is meaningless to me completely. $10 for low latency access to my cash is a small price to pay, versus waiting a day or longer for slower (free) transfer methods to complete.
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- paulie_a 7y ago
  The only problem with trusting PayPal is you can't trust PayPal.
saarons 7y ago
On the bank side, one of the main providers offering RTP payments to businesses right now is JPMorgan Chase. If you have a commercial account with them, you can originate RTP payments.

Paypal (and subsequently Venmo) offers it. I've "instant transfered" money from eBay sales right to my account. They do charge a 1% fee (up to $25) versus zero fees for classic ACH transfer. If I need the money right away, I'll pay the 1% but I usually can wait the couple days.

GhettoMaestro 7y ago
Yup. Just transferred $2K from my PayPal account (ebay sales) to my checking account. Slight clarification: PayPal caps the transfer fees at $10.
- pbreit 7y ago
  Folks do realize that paying 1% to speed up a transfer by 1-2 days is equivalent to a 180%-365% interest loan?
  - patio11 7y ago
    In many cases they’ll be paying 1% of e.g. $40 either to avoid having to think about this any more or because they have extremely toothy consequences to not having the cash today. e.g. The implicit interest rate on an NSF fee if they don’t fund the $10 overdraft currently happening on their checking account due to the rent check being deposited, which they have 3 hours to cover before the cutoff, is on the order of 3.8e200%. ($35 interest to borrow $10 for a day.)
    - pbreit 7y ago
      My sense is that's the vast minority. I think most of the % fee-based "instant withdrawals" are done without understanding the effective APR. "It's only 1%!"
      - moftz 7y ago
        Venmo used to have a flat fee of $0.25 then they changed it to 1%. I'm guessing for most people, it would never be a problem since most people are usually only sending small amounts to eachother on Venmo (paying someone back for lunch or splitting utilities) but now Paypal gets a larger cut of people doing instant transfer of things like rent payments.
  - GhettoMaestro 7y ago
    I love when folks over-analyze stuff like this. I had $2K in my Paypal account. I had about $1200 in my primary checking account. And another few Gs in savings. I needed to pay a $2700 expense. I could have transfered from the savings, but you are restricted to the number of times per year you can do that, without penalty. TLDR: I have no problem sacrificing $10 to get immediate access to another $2K in cash, with the thought co-resident in my mind that I do not want to incur any potential savings -> checking with-drawl penalties. The APR in this case is meaningless to me completely. $10 for low latency access to my cash is a small price to pay, versus waiting a day or longer for slower (free) transfer methods to complete.
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paulie_a 7y ago
The only problem with trusting PayPal is you can't trust PayPal.

saarons 7y ago

On the bank side, one of the main providers offering RTP payments to businesses right now is JPMorgan Chase. If you have a commercial account with them, you can originate RTP payments.