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All the guy did was be honest, and its not like he revealed anything people didnt know already. Seems like an emperors new clothes kind of situation.

cat199 7y ago
calling it 'crap' is quite a different thing from saying it is 'affordable' and 'a good value', even if both imply the same thing w/r/t cost:quality vs absolute quality in that product family - one will get you bad press and social stigma, the other will win you fans. it's all about presentation.
- the8472 7y ago
  seems like a bug in humans, since the material reality underlying those statements is the same.
  - ghaff 7y ago
    The connotation is a lot different even if the reality can converge. A mass market pen I pickup in an office supply store can probably be reasonably described as affordable and good value. It's not as nice as one of the good pens I keep at home but I don't think it's fair to describe as "crap" in most contexts.
    - the8472 7y ago
      Sure, but the statement doesn't change the material aspects of the goods. If it was true then they were crap before, if it was not then they remain in the affordable category afterwards. Then again, jewelry is to a large extent about perception and not their material properties.
4ntonius8lock 7y ago
You can't offend anybody more than by telling them a truth they don't want to hear. If you insult someone with something that is clearly not true, they will brush it off. But tell the truth they don't like and you will be hated more than anyone. This is coming from someone who was frequently hated for saying the truth, because I come from a different culture and hadn't figured out how to navigate human interactions in the west. Especially when it comes to points that are related to people's identity formation (jewelry being a part of that) Or as a favorite song says: When the truth walks away Everybody stays Cause the truth about the world is that crime does pay
- kamaal 7y ago
  I guess the working class buyers knew they were buying cheap stuff. They just don't want to be humiliated or joked for doing so. Often people buying these women's jewelry are men. A lot of women care more for their men who take time out and care to buy anything for mush more than the price itself. Why humiliate them this way?

cat199 7y ago

calling it 'crap' is quite a different thing from saying it is 'affordable' and 'a good value', even if both imply the same thing w/r/t cost:quality vs absolute quality in that product family - one will get you bad press and social stigma, the other will win you fans. it's all about presentation.

the8472 7y ago
seems like a bug in humans, since the material reality underlying those statements is the same.
- ghaff 7y ago
  The connotation is a lot different even if the reality can converge. A mass market pen I pickup in an office supply store can probably be reasonably described as affordable and good value. It's not as nice as one of the good pens I keep at home but I don't think it's fair to describe as "crap" in most contexts.
  - the8472 7y ago
    Sure, but the statement doesn't change the material aspects of the goods. If it was true then they were crap before, if it was not then they remain in the affordable category afterwards. Then again, jewelry is to a large extent about perception and not their material properties.

4ntonius8lock 7y ago

You can't offend anybody more than by telling them a truth they don't want to hear. If you insult someone with something that is clearly not true, they will brush it off. But tell the truth they don't like and you will be hated more than anyone. This is coming from someone who was frequently hated for saying the truth, because I come from a different culture and hadn't figured out how to navigate human interactions in the west. Especially when it comes to points that are related to people's identity formation (jewelry being a part of that) Or as a favorite song says: When the truth walks away Everybody stays Cause the truth about the world is that crime does pay

kamaal 7y ago
I guess the working class buyers knew they were buying cheap stuff. They just don't want to be humiliated or joked for doing so. Often people buying these women's jewelry are men. A lot of women care more for their men who take time out and care to buy anything for mush more than the price itself. Why humiliate them this way?