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That’s a larger problem since Safari has a larger userbase. Mozilla is generally at 5% Safari has been at 7-8%. Collectively, Microsoft is fine with losing pote

That’s a larger problem since Safari has a larger userbase. Mozilla is generally at 5% Safari has been at 7-8%. Collectively, Microsoft is fine with losing potentially 12%

hypfer 7y ago
Yeah but to support safari, you need a way to test your web application with it. The only way to do that is to buy a Mac. That's why a lot of sites don't support it.
- agloeregrets 7y ago
  Browserstack.com Also 50% of the US mobile browser market. (Don’t forget iPhone and iPad.) This is a bs excuse. The only really hard one to test with is IE11, simply because the dev tools are so incredibly slow on a web app.
- sgt 7y ago
  I think Microsoft can afford it. I heard at some point they were Apple's largest corporate client for Macintoshes.
- sodosopa 7y ago
  That’s actually incorrect. I used Browserstack for testing our web apps. Why buy a Mac when you could basically rent one for your browser testing. We script it out and test out pre-prod web apps.
vetinari 7y ago
On desktops, it is ~9,5% for Firefox and ~5% for Safari (4,5% for Edge). On mobile, I would rather use native app than web one. On desktop, the "native" app is Electron anyway.
- gmueckl 7y ago
  At least the native app for Linux comes with a few shared libraries in addition to Electron. So it's not JavaScript all the way down like the website has to be.
- Doctor_Fegg 7y ago
  Though frankly I'm fed up with installing yet another mobile app for whatever conferencing system someone wants to use today.
chrismeller 7y ago
Those are desktop and mobile numbers. Per [1] it’s more like 9 and 3% on desktop, which is really the only place you’d be doing this. 1: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers
mcv 7y ago
They don't just lose that 12%, but also the people they want to talk to.
- The_rationalist 7y ago
  12% for Firefox marketshare? Source? Last time I checked it was ~4.4% (desktop + mobile)

That’s a larger problem since Safari has a larger userbase. Mozilla is generally at 5% Safari has been at 7-8%. Collectively, Microsoft is fine with losing potentially 12%

hypfer 7y ago

Yeah but to support safari, you need a way to test your web application with it. The only way to do that is to buy a Mac. That's why a lot of sites don't support it.

agloeregrets 7y ago
Browserstack.com Also 50% of the US mobile browser market. (Don’t forget iPhone and iPad.) This is a bs excuse. The only really hard one to test with is IE11, simply because the dev tools are so incredibly slow on a web app.
sgt 7y ago
I think Microsoft can afford it. I heard at some point they were Apple's largest corporate client for Macintoshes.
sodosopa 7y ago
That’s actually incorrect. I used Browserstack for testing our web apps. Why buy a Mac when you could basically rent one for your browser testing. We script it out and test out pre-prod web apps.

vetinari 7y ago

On desktops, it is ~9,5% for Firefox and ~5% for Safari (4,5% for Edge). On mobile, I would rather use native app than web one. On desktop, the "native" app is Electron anyway.

gmueckl 7y ago
At least the native app for Linux comes with a few shared libraries in addition to Electron. So it's not JavaScript all the way down like the website has to be.
Doctor_Fegg 7y ago
Though frankly I'm fed up with installing yet another mobile app for whatever conferencing system someone wants to use today.

chrismeller 7y ago

Those are desktop and mobile numbers. Per [1] it’s more like 9 and 3% on desktop, which is really the only place you’d be doing this. 1: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers

mcv 7y ago

They don't just lose that 12%, but also the people they want to talk to.

The_rationalist 7y ago
12% for Firefox marketshare? Source? Last time I checked it was ~4.4% (desktop + mobile)