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You say that "Nuclear PR people have been hiding under rocks", but that is not my picture of the fission industry. You mention Onkalo. AFAIK, that uses the sam

by moogly 7y ago

You say that "Nuclear PR people have been hiding under rocks", but that is not my picture of the fission industry. You mention Onkalo. AFAIK, that uses the same solution as the proposed Swedish nuclear waste storage. Copper canisters embedded in bentonite clay. Experts NOT employed by the nuclear fission industry tend to disagree with the industry experts: https://www.dw.com/en/sweden-plans-first-ultimate-storage-site-for-nuclear-waste/a-14935527 https://www.dw.com/en/sweden-plans-first-ultimate-storage-si... Also, this SKB company in cahoots with SSM (the Swedish Radiation Safety Authority) had suppressed an internal report made by independent experts saying the same thing (article in Swedish, but with English quotes from the report): http://www.mkg.se/ssm-rapport-avslojar-att-skb-dolt-problem-med-kopparkorrosion http://www.mkg.se/ssm-rapport-avslojar-att-skb-dolt-problem-... This report about the report only came to light because of a lawsuit by the Swedish Society for Nature Conservation. The whole tale is a bit more complicated and sordid (for the Radiation Safety Authority), but I can't find an article in English for you: http://www.sverigesnatur.org/aktuellt/stralsakerhetsmyndigheten-morkade-risker-med-slutforvaret/ http://www.sverigesnatur.org/aktuellt/stralsakerhetsmyndighe... It should also be mentioned that the European radiation limits from nuclear waste storage are much more stringent than in the US. EPA's limit defined for the (fiasco-laden) Yucca Mountain storage for the first 10,000 years is 10 times higher, and then for the remainder, up to 1,000,000 years, 250 times higher, but maybe that's moot since it looks like Yucca Mountain is a dead end.

acidburnNSA 7y ago
My perspective on PR is very US-heavy. I have literally never seen a fission advertisement or billboard or anything in the USA. I see ads for natural gas all the time, filled with wind mills and wizards and all sorts of garbage. > Experts NOT employed by the nuclear fission industry tend to disagree with the industry experts I suspect that may be over stated. The fission industry is relatively small and lots of people are not employed by it. Certainly it's possible to find opposing viewpoints on most topics, as anti-nuclear groups has a rich and powerful history. The solution in terms of the topic discussed in your link (corrosion) is generally academia. Independent university labs can perform various kinds of corrosion tests and discuss in the open literature. Does this not happen like this in Sweden? I've been surprised by how low some of the European radiation limits myself, especially given the growing body of science suggesting that biological systems are quite robust against low-dose radiation (perhaps because we evolved with an ever-present natural background of it). For example: "Integrated Molecular Analysis Indicates Undetectable Change in DNA Damage in Mice after Continuous Irradiation at ~ 400-fold Natural Background Radiation": https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp.1104294 https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp.1104294

by moogly 7y ago

acidburnNSA 7y ago

My perspective on PR is very US-heavy. I have literally never seen a fission advertisement or billboard or anything in the USA. I see ads for natural gas all the time, filled with wind mills and wizards and all sorts of garbage. > Experts NOT employed by the nuclear fission industry tend to disagree with the industry experts I suspect that may be over stated. The fission industry is relatively small and lots of people are not employed by it. Certainly it's possible to find opposing viewpoints on most topics, as anti-nuclear groups has a rich and powerful history. The solution in terms of the topic discussed in your link (corrosion) is generally academia. Independent university labs can perform various kinds of corrosion tests and discuss in the open literature. Does this not happen like this in Sweden? I've been surprised by how low some of the European radiation limits myself, especially given the growing body of science suggesting that biological systems are quite robust against low-dose radiation (perhaps because we evolved with an ever-present natural background of it). For example: "Integrated Molecular Analysis Indicates Undetectable Change in DNA Damage in Mice after Continuous Irradiation at ~ 400-fold Natural Background Radiation": https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp.1104294 https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp.1104294