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>There is more evidence that police have ticket quotas than there is that bureaucrats have regulation quotas. Yes, it would not make sense that there are requi

by ryacko 7y ago

>There is more evidence that police have ticket quotas than there is that bureaucrats have regulation quotas. Yes, it would not make sense that there are requirements to produce impacts that aren’t publicly noticeable, particularly when there are complaints of scarce resources. Regardless, people have bosses and work multiplies. Maybe no one has no idea what they are doing, but someone has to have some self reflection that it is harmful.

jonathankoren 7y ago
> but someone has to have some self reflection that it is harmful. I emphatically reject that notion, both from the perspective that that regulations and regulatory enforcement are intrinsically harmful, and from the perspective that self reflection of enforcers demoralizes them. Quite the contrary, people self deceive themselves all the time. No one ever the bad guy in their own story. Sure. Maybe someone sometime gets fails to rationalize their actions for a while, and quit, but they are by far the exception, because if they weren't you'd have high turn over and an inability to recruit replacements. Then, even under those circumstances you'd eventually end up with self selected, self perpetuating group. That's just survivorship.
- ryacko 7y ago
  If no one is the bad guy in their own story, than you are surrounded by children.
  - javert 7y ago
    Maybe I'm missing your point but... we are? Many or most adults in the U.S. operate at the level of what we expect of children, but not what we expect of adults. I only specify the U.S. because it's what I know directly. (I suspect European adults overall are better socialized to behave in an adult way, but are not necessarily actually any wiser than American adults. Just on average. There is an enormous variation from person to person.) edit: I feel like this needs an example. I'm not saying American adults are incompetent at their jobs, for example. I'm saying they hold childish beliefs, like believing in Santa Claus, but not that one in particular. In other words, they lack intellectual hygiene. Another good example is what came up earlier in the thread: people rationalizing their bad actions so that they are not bad in their own "story."

by ryacko 7y ago

jonathankoren 7y ago

> but someone has to have some self reflection that it is harmful. I emphatically reject that notion, both from the perspective that that regulations and regulatory enforcement are intrinsically harmful, and from the perspective that self reflection of enforcers demoralizes them. Quite the contrary, people self deceive themselves all the time. No one ever the bad guy in their own story. Sure. Maybe someone sometime gets fails to rationalize their actions for a while, and quit, but they are by far the exception, because if they weren't you'd have high turn over and an inability to recruit replacements. Then, even under those circumstances you'd eventually end up with self selected, self perpetuating group. That's just survivorship.

ryacko 7y ago
If no one is the bad guy in their own story, than you are surrounded by children.
- javert 7y ago
  Maybe I'm missing your point but... we are? Many or most adults in the U.S. operate at the level of what we expect of children, but not what we expect of adults. I only specify the U.S. because it's what I know directly. (I suspect European adults overall are better socialized to behave in an adult way, but are not necessarily actually any wiser than American adults. Just on average. There is an enormous variation from person to person.) edit: I feel like this needs an example. I'm not saying American adults are incompetent at their jobs, for example. I'm saying they hold childish beliefs, like believing in Santa Claus, but not that one in particular. In other words, they lack intellectual hygiene. Another good example is what came up earlier in the thread: people rationalizing their bad actions so that they are not bad in their own "story."