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Yet somehow she got a PhD in biology from Yale with it, we should probably read it before judging it as "a biology paper" or "not a biology paper". Feel free t

Yet somehow she got a PhD in biology from Yale with it, we should probably read it before judging it as "a biology paper" or "not a biology paper". Feel free to list some highly credentialed social scientists you respect, and we can look up their PhD thesis titles. Bottom line is she's highly credentialed with a PhD from Yale, taught at John Hopkins, and is now a "distinguished professor emerita" at UCSC.

YorkshireSeason 7y ago
we should probably read it I spent about 20 minutes reading parts of it. I'd classify it as "history of science" (a perfectly valid subject). Bottom line is she's highly No. She is in no way "highly credentialised in biology". She has taught at universities but "Women's Studies and the History of Science", and "History of Consciousness [...] and Feminist Studies". (From [1]) The content of her Yale PhD is not in biology, in the way this term is usually understood (DNA, proteins, signalling chains, PCR, bench work, taxonomy of animals, ... i.e. studying the physical structure, chemical processes, molecular interactions, physiological mechanisms, development and evolution of living organisms). Since the scientific credibility of subjects like "Feminist Studies" is controversial (unlike biology) claiming high credentials where there are none, makes me think of HN guidelines [7]: when discussing highly controversial subjects like, discussions about scientific credentials, should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less. list some highly credentialed social scientists you respect, I don't see why this is relevant for Haraway, not every great scientist has a great dissertation or written their dissertation in the field they later became famous for. The "bottom line" is that Haraway has no substantial credentials in biology, and certainly she has not done research in biology in the sense the term is usually understood. Anyway, to take up your challenge, I'm fairly familiar with the following highly credentialed social scientists: Karl Marx (PhD in philosophy on ancient Greek philosophy, I have been unable to locate it, if you have a link to the text, I'd be grateful), Max Weber (PhD in law about commercial law in Italy [2, 3]), Talcott Parsons (PhD is [4]), Émile Durkheim (PhD is on the division of labour [5]) and Niklas Luhmann (PhD about automation in administrations [6]). How is all this relevant regarding Donna Haraway? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Haraway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Haraway [2] http://www.uvm.edu/~lkaelber/research/weber1.html http://www.uvm.edu/~lkaelber/research/weber1.html [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zur_Geschichte_der_Handelsgesellschaften_im_Mittelalter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zur_Geschichte_der_Handelsgese... [4] https://www.jstor.org/stable/1820700?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents https://www.jstor.org/stable/1820700?seq=1#page_scan_tab_con... [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Division_of_Labour_in_Society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Division_of_Labour_in_Soci... [6] https://www.amazon.de/Recht-Automation-%C3%B6ffentlichen-Verwaltung-verwaltungswissenschaftliche/dp/3428009606 https://www.amazon.de/Recht-Automation-%C3%B6ffentlichen-Ver... [7] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- soudiere 7y ago
  Link me Haraway's PhD thesis please, I can't find it on scihub. Original assertion was "highly credentialed biologists", which is different than "highly credentialed in biology", and I would agree with your objection to the later statement, her credentials lie mostly outside biology. She's highly credentialed by the nature of her PhD from Yale, teaching at Hopkins & UCSC. She's a biologist by training, achieving her PhD in the field. I asked for a list of social scientists so I could pick one and attack their PhD's or credentials under the same premise you criticized Haraway's, to demonstrate the absurdity of that line of thinking. Marx's PhD was in philosophy, thesis something about greek philosophy being superior to religion. Spent most of his life as a journalist, so he's not credentialed in the social/political science field he's most notable for. ^^^ makes me sound foolish Marx's PhD thesis https://archive.org/details/Marx_Karl_-_Doctoral_Thesis_-_The_Difference_Between_the_Democritean_and_Epicure/page/n11 https://archive.org/details/Marx_Karl_-_Doctoral_Thesis_-_Th...
  - YorkshireSeason 7y ago
    Thanks for the link to Marx PhD. As far as I understand [1] is (a book version of) Haraway's doctoral dissertation. "highly credentialed biologists", which is different than "highly credentialed in biology" By that sophistic logic, I'm a "highly credentialed chess player" simply because as a child I played a few games of chess and now have lots of credentials in a STEM field. By the same logic I would also be a - highly credentialed soccer player - highly credentialed surfer - highly credentialed linguist and many more variants. All of the above would be misleading because clearly statements like "X is a highly credentialed Y" are usually assumed to mean that X's credentials are in subject Y. Since a persistent and widely known criticism of Gender Studies and the concept of gender is the severed link with biology in general, and the biology of fertility in particular, is remarkable, and it is difficult to believe it is done in good faith. [1] https://monoskop.org/images/5/58/Haraway_Donna_Crystals_Fabrics_and_Fields_Metaphors_That_Shape_Embryos.pdf https://monoskop.org/images/5/58/Haraway_Donna_Crystals_Fabr...
    - soudiere 7y ago

YorkshireSeason 7y ago

we should probably read it I spent about 20 minutes reading parts of it. I'd classify it as "history of science" (a perfectly valid subject). Bottom line is she's highly No. She is in no way "highly credentialised in biology". She has taught at universities but "Women's Studies and the History of Science", and "History of Consciousness [...] and Feminist Studies". (From [1]) The content of her Yale PhD is not in biology, in the way this term is usually understood (DNA, proteins, signalling chains, PCR, bench work, taxonomy of animals, ... i.e. studying the physical structure, chemical processes, molecular interactions, physiological mechanisms, development and evolution of living organisms). Since the scientific credibility of subjects like "Feminist Studies" is controversial (unlike biology) claiming high credentials where there are none, makes me think of HN guidelines [7]: when discussing highly controversial subjects like, discussions about scientific credentials, should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less. list some highly credentialed social scientists you respect, I don't see why this is relevant for Haraway, not every great scientist has a great dissertation or written their dissertation in the field they later became famous for. The "bottom line" is that Haraway has no substantial credentials in biology, and certainly she has not done research in biology in the sense the term is usually understood. Anyway, to take up your challenge, I'm fairly familiar with the following highly credentialed social scientists: Karl Marx (PhD in philosophy on ancient Greek philosophy, I have been unable to locate it, if you have a link to the text, I'd be grateful), Max Weber (PhD in law about commercial law in Italy [2, 3]), Talcott Parsons (PhD is [4]), Émile Durkheim (PhD is on the division of labour [5]) and Niklas Luhmann (PhD about automation in administrations [6]). How is all this relevant regarding Donna Haraway? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Haraway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Haraway [2] http://www.uvm.edu/~lkaelber/research/weber1.html http://www.uvm.edu/~lkaelber/research/weber1.html [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zur_Geschichte_der_Handelsgesellschaften_im_Mittelalter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zur_Geschichte_der_Handelsgese... [4] https://www.jstor.org/stable/1820700?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents https://www.jstor.org/stable/1820700?seq=1#page_scan_tab_con... [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Division_of_Labour_in_Society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Division_of_Labour_in_Soci... [6] https://www.amazon.de/Recht-Automation-%C3%B6ffentlichen-Verwaltung-verwaltungswissenschaftliche/dp/3428009606 https://www.amazon.de/Recht-Automation-%C3%B6ffentlichen-Ver... [7] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

soudiere 7y ago
Link me Haraway's PhD thesis please, I can't find it on scihub. Original assertion was "highly credentialed biologists", which is different than "highly credentialed in biology", and I would agree with your objection to the later statement, her credentials lie mostly outside biology. She's highly credentialed by the nature of her PhD from Yale, teaching at Hopkins & UCSC. She's a biologist by training, achieving her PhD in the field. I asked for a list of social scientists so I could pick one and attack their PhD's or credentials under the same premise you criticized Haraway's, to demonstrate the absurdity of that line of thinking. Marx's PhD was in philosophy, thesis something about greek philosophy being superior to religion. Spent most of his life as a journalist, so he's not credentialed in the social/political science field he's most notable for. ^^^ makes me sound foolish Marx's PhD thesis https://archive.org/details/Marx_Karl_-_Doctoral_Thesis_-_The_Difference_Between_the_Democritean_and_Epicure/page/n11 https://archive.org/details/Marx_Karl_-_Doctoral_Thesis_-_Th...
- YorkshireSeason 7y ago
  Thanks for the link to Marx PhD. As far as I understand [1] is (a book version of) Haraway's doctoral dissertation. "highly credentialed biologists", which is different than "highly credentialed in biology" By that sophistic logic, I'm a "highly credentialed chess player" simply because as a child I played a few games of chess and now have lots of credentials in a STEM field. By the same logic I would also be a - highly credentialed soccer player - highly credentialed surfer - highly credentialed linguist and many more variants. All of the above would be misleading because clearly statements like "X is a highly credentialed Y" are usually assumed to mean that X's credentials are in subject Y. Since a persistent and widely known criticism of Gender Studies and the concept of gender is the severed link with biology in general, and the biology of fertility in particular, is remarkable, and it is difficult to believe it is done in good faith. [1] https://monoskop.org/images/5/58/Haraway_Donna_Crystals_Fabrics_and_Fields_Metaphors_That_Shape_Embryos.pdf https://monoskop.org/images/5/58/Haraway_Donna_Crystals_Fabr...
  - soudiere 7y ago