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Verizon to finally get iPhone
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- melvinram 16y agoFingers crossed that T-mobile won't be too far behind. I really love my T-mobile plan.
- wtn 16y agoI assure you that your T-Mobile plan will not be available for use with a T-Mobile iPhone.
- melvinram 16y agoWhatever it ends up being, I'm sure it'll be a better deal than ATT/V.
- wtn 16y agoPricing game theory suggests that T-Mobile should undercut AT&T by a small margin at most.
- aikinai 16y agoIt depends on what you mean by "not available for use." Any standard T-mobile plan that includes data (even the $5 T-Zones plan) will work with the iPhone. The only problem is that it's Edge-only.
- rottencupcakes 16y agoPeople have been running iPhones on T-Mobile since 2007. The reason this is so big is because the iPhone currently doesn't support CDMA.
- brown9-2 16y agoCorrect me if I'm wrong, but if you jailbreak your iPhone and use it on T-Mobile's network you will only be able to use the EDGE/2G network as the iPhone's 3G radio uses different frequencies than T-Mobile's 3G network. Makes the choice seem a little backwards then doesn't it?
- melvinram 16y agoExactly. That's why I'd rather use Android over iPhone. I'm hoping for one that uses their HSPA+ technology that gives 42 mbp/s of blazing speed.
- irq 16y agoYou're correct, except that it is "unlocking" that allows you to use an AT&T iPhone on another carrier. "Jailbreaking" is completely different - it simply allows you to install unsigned software. One must jailbreak their iPhone before it can be unlocked, because you need to run special, unsigned software to unlock it.
- jamesaguilar 16y agoIf it doesn't actually happen on Tuesday, I will refuse to get my hopes up ever again.
- bane 16y agoThere are times when I seriously get confused, did I buy an iPod Touch or an iPhone? Calls between me and other iPhoners just end up in a sometimes hilarious tennis match of dropped calls and callbacks.
- blinkingled 16y agoHopefully this time it is real - not because I am going to buy one but because the "analysts" can finally shut up and end their endless hype/crusade of Verizon iPhone.
- rscott 16y agoOut of curiosity, does anyone seriously know who these "analysts" are and what their job actually entails?
- blinkingled 16y agoI've wondered about the same. Here is the public info about one such analyst Gene Munster - http://www.piperjaffray.com/1col.aspx?id=7&analystid=131 http://www.piperjaffray.com/1col.aspx?id=7&analystid=131 . Some choice bits - "specializing in Internet" , "holds a bachelor's degree in financial management and new venture strategies from the University of St. Thomas" "coverage includes Google, Yahoo!, Amazon, Baidu, and MercadoLibre" . Sounds like a good gig to me! Someone should compile information about these tech analysts, their educational qualifications, their official job details (organizations they work for, job duties they perform over a typical year, their goals and objectives etc.), the data they work off of, their predictions from 2008 onwards, hit/miss ratio, stock price fluctuations attributable to their predictions and any other interesting tidbits. May be something sinister will come out of it or may be not - but it will still be interesting to look at.
- tdfx 16y agoSmall world. I specialize in internet, too.
- Umalu 16y agoEvery quarter the publicly-traded tech companies hold earnings calls. After the company gives its spiel, it allows the analysts to ask questions. These calls are open to the public, and I suggest you listen in on one for a company you know well; the questions you hear will tell you pretty much all you need to know about these analysts.
- jcr 16y agoDevice specs for the Verizon iPhone 4 can be found here: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2548&c=verizon_iphone_4_apple_iphone_3,2 http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2548&c=verizon... EDIT: Just so I can understand what I've done wrong, would one of the down-voters please explain why the specs leaked in March/April last year are not relevant? Thanks!
- ajg1977 16y agoSince it claims the phone will be running 4.0.2, I'd say these are a little more speculation than fact.
- jcr 16y agoHeck, you always need take leaked specs with a grain of salt, if not a whole shaker of salt, a lime, and a shot of tequila. I think your down-vote was a bit reactionary. Those leaked specs have been on the pdadb for at least 9 months even though the device was only just officially announced during CES this week. I think the verizon iphone specs have been up there since shortly before (March 2010) the release of the iPhone 4 (June 2010), hence the iOS version it was claimed to be running (during the end of development/prototyping). The first "preview" of iOS 4.x was in April 2010. Similar was true for Droid2 and Droid2-Global specs being available 9-12 months prior to device releases/announcements. In both those cases, the leaked specs matched up very well with the eventually released products. Even when a device is "finished" (hardware engineering-wise) the lead times for manufacturing ramp-up and marketing build-up can be many months. EDIT: Added rough dates to leak and iOS releases http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history
- joshu 16y agoI am absurdly excited about this, mostly because I am in hate with my Droid. However, the gmail and contacts integration on Droid is top notch. Am I going to be less happy on iphone?
- dantheman 16y agogmail on iphone sucks - because of apple
- astrange 16y agohttp://bugreporter.apple.com/ http://bugreporter.apple.com/
- jawee 16y agoWell, considering most of the cloud integration goodness on iPhone is only possible with Google products, I don't think you can complain too much. iPhone is just as Google-dependent for the full experience as is Android. I will say that Google needs to develop a G-Mail app on par with its Android equivalent for iOS, but using the default mail client with IMAP works just fine in reality; it is the same basic experience as any other third party client.
- dantheman 16y agoApple doesn't allow 3rd party mail clients.
- tortilla 16y agoI sync my iPhone contacts with my Gmail account using Google's Exchange ActiveSync. http://www.google.com/mobile/sync/ http://www.google.com/mobile/sync/ edit: no limit on accounts
- nanexcool 16y agoSince 4.0 you can have multiple Exchange accounts.
- ambirex 16y agoThis is total speculation; back in Sept. I was thinking about the white iPhone 4 and how it was delayed. I can see it only being available on Verizon (for a limited time) followed by specific colors for different carries, much like KitchenAid does for their blenders. I would be surprised if Sprint and T-Mobile didn't have the iPhone within the year (if Verizon does indeed get it soon)
- aaronbrethorst 16y agoI'm crossing my fingers on T-Mobile. I gave my mom a jailbroken iPhone 3G a few months ago, after she returned her third consecutive T-Mobile feature phone in as many weeks. She's never been happier with a phone ('so easy to use,' 'doesn't make me feel like an idiot,' 'so many capabilities'), and I'd love to get her onto an up-to-date one with 3G data capabilities. I'd just tell her to move onto AT&T but, in my experience, their network in the Twin Cities is even worse than San Francisco's.
- cmelbye 16y agoReally? I've never once had an issue with my iPhone 4 and AT&T anywhere in the Twin Cities. I have perfect 3G coverage pretty much everywhere I go.
- aaronbrethorst 16y agoI've had spotty reception trouble around Minneapolis, but Uptown has always been the worst. For instance, I usually can only get a single bar of reception inside Spyhouse on 25th and Hennepin on my iPhone 4, and 2 outside if I'm lucky. Also, I should mention that this experience was from Summer 2010. Maybe there were some issues with ATT's network in July, or maybe they've been bringing a lot more capacity online over the past few months.
- protomyth 16y agoT-Mobile in the Twin Cities seems to have been going down hill (brother has it). The company is cool, but their service is poor. His wife's iPhone is doing great (Woodbury / St. Paul area). Also, one or more cell companies had towers on the old 35w bridge before it fell down and I seem to remember an article talking about problems arfterwords. T-mobile used to work fine down I94, but now much west of St. cloud is dead. // sorry about above, deleted comment because I saw this thread
- ellyagg 16y agoLooks like all the "groundless" speculation was dead on. A Verizon iPhone has been predicted for a long time, and we knew that there was an exclusivity contract with ATT whose term had to be met, but the claims of vapor have gone up in a puff of smoke. I know of several people who wanted iPhones but refused to give up Verizon's cell network for ATT. The biggest gap in cell network satisfaction--based on the word of mouth in my circles--is between those two. Now that this is happening, iPhone is sure to maintain a permanently substantial market share down the line; not as high unit sales as Android devices, but more than enough to finance continued development of what I consider to be the best value for a phone on the market, which is all I care about.
- callahad 16y ago> the claims of vapor have gone up in a puff of smoke. Really? Sure, it's finally happened, but people have been predicting a Verizon iPhone "next week / month / quarter" for, literally, years. It was practically inevitable, seeing as Apple has no ideological qualms with multiple distributers in other countries.
- eli 16y agoIf I recall correctly, Verizon was Apple's first choice for US carrier, but refused to play ball with Apple's (admittedly unprecedented) demands.
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- InclinedPlane 16y agoSpeculation has hardly been groundless. Apple had an exclusivity contract with AT&T for some time, it was obvious that they'd branch out to other carriers after they were free from that restriction, and Verizon is the most logical choice due to their coverage, infrastructure, and existing user base. Granted, the breathless speculation without any shred of firm evidence about a Verizon iPhone on X date has been silly and annoying, but the fact that there would be a Verizon iPhone eventually has always been an incredibly logical step.
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- InclinedPlane 16y agoThe favor Verizon would be doing is allowing Apple's phones to be bought by people on non AT&T plans, greatly growing their potential market.
- ugh 16y agoProviders in the rest of the world have been rapidly losing iPhone exclusivity in the last few years and months. AT&T shouldn’t be surprised and certainly shouldn’t be pissed. It’s honestly surprising that they had the iPhone exclusively for such a long time. It seems obvious to me that it’s not in Apple’s best interest to let AT&T keep the iPhone all for itself, not at this point in time. Does anyone know why AT&T had the iPhone exclusively in the first place? Did Apple actually want that to happen or was it merely a concession to get AT&T to accept Apple’s demands?
- trotsky 16y agoExclusivity was won through what amounted to reverse auctions on the terms of a revenue sharing agreement. Those terms were never disclosed, but Apple confirmed the revenue sharing did exist. Piper Jaffray estimated that AT&T was paying $18/mo per iPhone subscriber to Apple in addition to $600 per handset in '07. Presumably the persistent verizon iphone rumors in the past have been a stick used by Apple while they were negotiating extensions of that exclusivity+revenue share to extract more money. http://www.businessinsider.com/2007/10/apples-iphone-bounty-432-from-att http://www.businessinsider.com/2007/10/apples-iphone-bounty-...
- mlinsey 16y agoThe WSJ has had a particularly good record on Apple announcements shortly before they happen (the iPad announcement, the case program in response to antennagate), so I think we can be pretty confident about this.
- runjake 16y agoNo LTE, the infamous metal strip will be almost complete flush with glass top & bottom, metal strip will only be segmented once, instead of 3 times, mostly resembles an iPhone 4 otherwise. Talk & data simultaneously. No Vzw bloat on board. iOS 4.3.x (just changes for cdma). If you're considering downvoting this, wait until Tuesday to do so :)
- lusis 16y agoTalk and data at the same time isn't technologically possible on cdma. How do you figure they'll pull it off?
- InclinedPlane 16y agohttp://pocketnow.com/tech-news/simultaneous-voice-data-coming-to-cdma http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/simultaneous-voice-data-comin...
- lusis 16y agoAhhhh. I had missed that article last year. Thanks!
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- runjake 16y agoGoogle SV-DO.
- jarek 16y agoIs it GSM+CDMA or CDMA only?
- runjake 16y agoI don't know the answer to that. Sorry.
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- brown9-2 16y agoI'm currently inside the 30 day window return as a brand new iPhone/AT&T customer; I wonder if any minor differences in this phone or in Verizon's service (I really haven't had any problems with AT&T so far in the NYC area, I make very few voice calls) would be impetus enough to switch. Anyone care to speculate where the smart money might be on choosing AT&T or Verizon for service?
- ericd 16y agoIf you read Consumer Reports, they recently had a large survey, and AT&T came in last in pretty much every single market, and Verizon was in first in most of them. Anecdotally, in NYC, the voice reliability on AT&T was terrible for me - every other call would drop within the first five minutes, many within the first two. I never had issues with my old verizon phone, I could count the number of dropped calls with one hand.
- CoffeeDregs 16y agore: getting the Verizon iPhone: Reminder: date of product announcement != ship date
- mattparcher 16y agoImportant point. Current rumors [1] peg the ship date as the first week of February, which is still a month off. [1] http://www.bgr.com/2011/01/07/verizon-iphone-launch-looks-set-for-february-3rd/ http://www.bgr.com/2011/01/07/verizon-iphone-launch-looks-se...
- larrywright 16y agoShip date is likely very soon, Apple didn't tell their retail employees they couldn't take vacations this month for nothing.
- jsz0 16y agoOne thing to consider is AT&T may offer some really good deals to counter the VZ launch. If you can live without the iPhone for 30 days you might end up with a much better package over 2 years or a heavily discounted price on the hardware. I think it's probably worth the wait. I doubt VZ will be offering any good deals just because they have a decent amount of pent up demand for the iPhone. Why discount something you know people will pay full price for?
- eddieplan9 16y agoIt might be time to buy more Qualcomm stocks as it will be the provider for the CDMA chip.
- there 16y agois this why at&t dropped the iphone 3gs to $50 today? http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/atandt-selling-iphone-3gs-for-50-starting-tomorrow/ http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/atandt-selling-iphone-3gs...
- redler 16y agoYes.
- Bud 16y agoI'd say no, totally unrelated, since: a) it wasn't today b) that phone is now dated and was only $99 before; $50 less isn't a big deal considering that the real price includes a 2-yr contract
- RyanGWU82 16y agoYes, but smart phone buyers are going to enter a contract regardless. The iPhone contract is no more expensive than competing smart phones' contracts. When carriers compete on price, they're almost always competing on the price of the device itself. I mean, really, did anyone expect the iPhone to drop from $499 to $49 in three years?!
- aphexairlines 16y ago$50 for the 3gs doesn't seem like a big deal when some carriers provide the iphone 4 for free: http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/iphone_en/price_plan/value_program/ http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/iphone_en/price_plan/value_program/
- Tyrant505 16y agoWhy would anyone stay with at&t after this. I see this as a perfect pair trade. Hey, use the profits to pay for phone/data bill :)
- TheCoreh 16y agoThis carrier exclusivity thing on the US amuses me. In the end, consumers are the ones hurt, 'cause it limits the available choices. Here in Brazil we have regulatory agencies that set up rules against that kind of thing. SIM locking by carriers is also illegal here. (Not actually illegal, but they're legally required to unlock the phones for you without additional cost) I'm pretty sure a lot of other countries have similar rules, or am I wrong?
- jpcx01 16y agoI agree. It's a completely anticompetitive practice and should be regulated.
- ohhmaagawd 16y agodepends on if you believe in free markets I guess. the market has seemed to resolved this situation - iPhone is going multi-carrier in the US
- gaiusparx 16y agoHong Kong and Singapore has similar rules by their authorities. In one way you can say US prefers to practice free market. Or you can say US government does not care about their citizens. Or US government treats their corporations better than people.
- T_S_ 16y agoToo little too late. I just got off a call with my wife (SV to the Bay Bridge, iPhone to iPhone) and it only dropped 4 times. I just relocated to my number to SV a couple of months ago and I only had to call 4 times to get all the features back to what they were. Plus I got over being mad about having no message at all for callers to my old number. Also, I really don't mind calling AT&T every couple of months to find out why that charge was on my freakishly high bill. I love the way all the call center people are trained to take an extra 15-30 seconds per call expressing AT&T's caring attitude. That script doesn't need to be shortened at all. I never wonder if an unemployed poor person on a pay-as-you-go plan has lower costs and fewer customer service problems. And I got over the shock of the difference between the high margin Apple experience and the high margin AT&T experience. Really, I have. Nope. AT&T has nothing to worry about.
- loire280 16y agoAT&T's reception problems seem to be mostly concentrated in a few large cities -- most notably NY and SV/San Fransisco. I'm a longtime AT&T customer and recent iPhone owner. I've lived in Milwaukee and Phoenix, and their reception is on par with the other carriers in those cities. NY and SV are, in my opinion, the last places you'd want poor service (because it will be discussed nationwide), but I don't think that their reception is so terrible generally nationwide. I agree that their customer service is pretty lackluster -- then again, I've heard plenty of Verizon customer service horror stories. (Please chime if you're in another city and have unusual reception woes, my limited experience is not necessarily representative)
- jonhohle 16y agoNorth Scottsdale was spotty when I lived their two years ago. Anything near the McDowell's is likely to drop calls or have no reception at all on AT&T, while Verizon was fine. I actually had no problem with AT&T (Cingular at the time), many years before, but it seems as data phones became more popular, AT&T's network quality dropped. I've since moved to Seattle, and AT&T is atrocious. There is hardly a day where calls don't drop and I find myself on Edge in the middle of the city far too often.
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- mikecarlucci 16y agoIt will be interesting to see what this does to Verizon's Droid pricing. If Verizon adopts similar plans to AT&T with a cheap, limited, data add-on, a Verizon iPhone could be just as big a boost to Android.
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- geekinthecorner 16y agoAs a small business owner, AT&T and Apple never cared about gaining or keeping my business. When I tried to switch to Verizon, they made it clear that Sprint was the choice for me. At first I thought about the status symbol that was the iphone, the trends, the ease of integration with my macbook. Then I realized I hadn't made a phonecall in 2 years, and had resorted to txting everybody because I was so tired of the dropped calls. A local Sprint small business rep saw my gripes on twitter, asked if I'd come and give her a chance to win my business. Long story short, a big FUCK YOU to Apple, AT&T, Verizon, and the iPhone. Now I can make phone calls again.
- jpcx01 16y agoAnd now the wait begins for iPhone to come to Sprint. I think I'm safe buying a Galaxy S next month as I doubt it'll happen within the next 2 years.
- jawee 16y agoThis is certainly going to increase some iPhone marketshare in my area where AT&T has essentially no service. I know some people already that have iPhones and an additional cheap phone from Verizon or somebody to be able to reliably communicate.