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You're delusional and narcissistic and clearly incapable of understanding another person's life beyond your own. What about the people who work back to back job

by lotusleaf1987 16y ago

You're delusional and narcissistic and clearly incapable of understanding another person's life beyond your own. What about the people who work back to back jobs at minimum wage and still can't afford to get educated or gain the necessary skills? There are plenty of people working just to pay their bills and barely treading water. |Poverty exists in every nation in the world. The poverty in those countries doesn't even begin to compare to the poverty in the US, in terms of number or hardship. Those countries all have national healthcare. |If you are stuck in a dead-end job, I don't feel sorry for you. Yes because those people are so inferior they deserve to live in squalor. Great attitude. |Hell, if you want to go the less legal route, you can find almost any college textbook in pdf format, for free. You're assuming everyone has access to the internet, a computer, and knows how to torrent. |If you have a job that anybody can do, you aren't going to get paid very much..because its value is low. Making money has never been just about working hard. It also takes intelligence, skill, and there needs to be value in it. What about the millions upon millions of people working jobs in construction, fruit picking/packing, working in warehouses, garbage disposal, retail, or any number of other jobs. Some people are born into poverty and because of one reason or another are never able to escape it. I don't think everyone deserves that, even if they aren't a Mensa members. Clearly intelligence does not make you a better person. You need to go read Howard Zinn. He explains this much more eloquently than I can. I find your entire rationalization of poverty to be completely bogus, unfounded, and disconnected from reality.

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rick888 16y ago
"he poverty in those countries doesn't even begin to compare to the poverty in the US, in terms of number or hardship. Those countries all have national healthcare." 85% of the population has healthcare in the US. Hospitals will also not turn down someone that goes there in an emergency. "Yes because those people are so inferior they deserve to live in squalor. Great attitude." I gave you reasons why, if you want to make up your own, it's fine by me. "You're assuming everyone has access to the internet, a computer, and knows how to torrent." That was just a suggestion. You can find things legally (and free). Every library in every major city in the US has free Internet. "What about the millions upon millions of people working jobs in construction, fruit picking/packing, working in warehouses, garbage disposal, retail, or any number of other jobs." They are paid what they are worth. Fruit picking? Probably low paying, because the supply is much higher. Many of the other jobs you mention are well above minimum wage (and some are unionized). "Some people are born into poverty and because of one reason or another are never able to escape it." Give me a good reason why someone (without being mentally or physically incapable) can't escape it? "I find your entire rationalization of poverty to be completely bogus, unfounded, and disconnected from reality." If the book you mention spews the same garbage in your posts, I'm not going to bother.
- lotusleaf1987 16y ago
  |85% of the population has healthcare in the US. Hospitals will also not turn down someone that goes there in an emergency. Compared to 100% in the countries I mentioned. Also, healthcare in the US doesn't even cover the full cost, there are still premiums and deductibles and dental is usually ~60% compared to 100% in other countries. Your argument is based on blaming the poor, over and over again. It must be easy blaming the most vulnerable class.
  - rick888 16y ago
    "Compared to 100% in the countries I mentioned. Also, healthcare in the US doesn't even cover the full cost, there are still premiums and deductibles and dental is usually ~60% compared to 100% in other countries. Your argument is based on blaming the poor, over and over again. It must be easy blaming the most vulnerable class." I'm blaming people that can work, but choose not to due to their free will. Are these people poor? most likely, yes. You lump these people in the same group as the people that are physically or mentally unable to work. Quality and quantity are different. The US may not have the best overall coverage (due to cost), but the quality of our hospitals are the best in the world. I personally wouldn't want to go anywhere else. I would love to have universal health care, but it's just not a scalable system. When people know everything is covered, many will go to the doctor or hospital when they don't really need to (hey, I'm paying for it). This will result in long lines and too few doctors for too many patients. I've seen this at a much smaller scale with a few of my past employers that have "unlimited technical support". Those companies were always over-worked and couldn't afford to hire more staff. This was because people would call us up for the smallest things. If they were charged per-hour or per-call, the business could have scaled much better. The customers would have also gotten better support because the staff wasn't over-worked. Even though you probably will deny it, this does happen in Canada and many other countries that have government-run healthcare. All of my relatives live in Canada. Most come over here for any major surgery because the waiting list is too long. I know this is just anecdotal evidence, but I've heard this many times before. I know it's not an isolated incident. If there was a system that limited doctor visits (IE: you get a limited amount per year) and then you were charged money after that. This would prevent our hospitals and doctors offices from being swamped and possibly allow us to keep some sort of quality. I know it would never happen, because the government-run healthcare advocates want all or nothing.

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rick888 16y ago

"he poverty in those countries doesn't even begin to compare to the poverty in the US, in terms of number or hardship. Those countries all have national healthcare." 85% of the population has healthcare in the US. Hospitals will also not turn down someone that goes there in an emergency. "Yes because those people are so inferior they deserve to live in squalor. Great attitude." I gave you reasons why, if you want to make up your own, it's fine by me. "You're assuming everyone has access to the internet, a computer, and knows how to torrent." That was just a suggestion. You can find things legally (and free). Every library in every major city in the US has free Internet. "What about the millions upon millions of people working jobs in construction, fruit picking/packing, working in warehouses, garbage disposal, retail, or any number of other jobs." They are paid what they are worth. Fruit picking? Probably low paying, because the supply is much higher. Many of the other jobs you mention are well above minimum wage (and some are unionized). "Some people are born into poverty and because of one reason or another are never able to escape it." Give me a good reason why someone (without being mentally or physically incapable) can't escape it? "I find your entire rationalization of poverty to be completely bogus, unfounded, and disconnected from reality." If the book you mention spews the same garbage in your posts, I'm not going to bother.

lotusleaf1987 16y ago
|85% of the population has healthcare in the US. Hospitals will also not turn down someone that goes there in an emergency. Compared to 100% in the countries I mentioned. Also, healthcare in the US doesn't even cover the full cost, there are still premiums and deductibles and dental is usually ~60% compared to 100% in other countries. Your argument is based on blaming the poor, over and over again. It must be easy blaming the most vulnerable class.
- rick888 16y ago
  "Compared to 100% in the countries I mentioned. Also, healthcare in the US doesn't even cover the full cost, there are still premiums and deductibles and dental is usually ~60% compared to 100% in other countries. Your argument is based on blaming the poor, over and over again. It must be easy blaming the most vulnerable class." I'm blaming people that can work, but choose not to due to their free will. Are these people poor? most likely, yes. You lump these people in the same group as the people that are physically or mentally unable to work. Quality and quantity are different. The US may not have the best overall coverage (due to cost), but the quality of our hospitals are the best in the world. I personally wouldn't want to go anywhere else. I would love to have universal health care, but it's just not a scalable system. When people know everything is covered, many will go to the doctor or hospital when they don't really need to (hey, I'm paying for it). This will result in long lines and too few doctors for too many patients. I've seen this at a much smaller scale with a few of my past employers that have "unlimited technical support". Those companies were always over-worked and couldn't afford to hire more staff. This was because people would call us up for the smallest things. If they were charged per-hour or per-call, the business could have scaled much better. The customers would have also gotten better support because the staff wasn't over-worked. Even though you probably will deny it, this does happen in Canada and many other countries that have government-run healthcare. All of my relatives live in Canada. Most come over here for any major surgery because the waiting list is too long. I know this is just anecdotal evidence, but I've heard this many times before. I know it's not an isolated incident. If there was a system that limited doctor visits (IE: you get a limited amount per year) and then you were charged money after that. This would prevent our hospitals and doctors offices from being swamped and possibly allow us to keep some sort of quality. I know it would never happen, because the government-run healthcare advocates want all or nothing.