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> In my perfect world browsers have RSS support built in and aggregators like Facebook would allow RSS feeds to be published in timelines. We had this too...Fi

by smush 7y ago

> In my perfect world browsers have RSS support built in and aggregators like Facebook would allow RSS feeds to be published in timelines. We had this too...Firefox Live Bookmarks, yanked away because their metrics said no one used them...forgetting the kind of person who is techie enough to use RSS feeds is probably techie enough to turn off telemetry :/ I use them to this day in Waterfox, tried the Livemarks addon but its not the same.

spiderfarmer 7y ago
That’s one of the reasons I have Telemetry turned on. Just to show what I am using, so there’s less reasons to remove something.
- choward 7y ago
  Do you think that's what telemetry is actually used for?
  - apetresc 7y ago
    ...yes?
orf 7y ago
Nobody did use them though. They belong in an extension, it's the perfect use case. Pick any of the hundreds. Like this great one: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/awesome-rss/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/awesome-rss/ Also why would you use Waterfox. It's like Firefox ESR, with a few changed settings and much slower security updates.
- hobs 7y ago
  Why - they work fine, they dont change, they dont add a burden to the existing product? Taking something that works out of your product doesnt ever make people happy, and its never "the perfect use case" to remove features that work. Its a "well that's ok that we wont take this on anymore and let those users manage their own problem" use case.
  - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
    > they dont add a burden to the existing product? Of course scope creep adds a burden. It's one more thing Mozilla developers have to tend to.
  - orf 7y ago
    > they dont add a burden to the existing product? I assume you work in tech, maybe even as a developer. So you know full well that every single unused line of code, let alone an entire feature, adds a maintenance, security, documentation and testing burden. > and its never "the perfect use case" to remove features that work. It absolutely is, if it makes those features better and gives them a focused place to develop outside of the core browser. If you're so upset about it literally go and press one big blue "Add to firefox" button and have all the previous features, and more, back in under 10 seconds.
    - jolmg 7y ago
      Yet Pocket is a core part of Firefox instead of an extension.
      - munk-a 7y ago
        And many times have I thought that Pocket should also be in an extension and wondered why Mozilla is taking on the first party responsibility for it - maybe they get some partnership money?
        mkl 7y ago
        Mozilla owns Pocket.
        gregknicholson 7y ago
        And yet the server-side part is still closed-source. Mozilla's manifesto is just marketing now — it's obvious they don't really believe it any more.
- rsscircus 7y ago
  Want My RSS is also a pretty good Firefox extension to detect, display and subscribe to RSS feeds https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/want-my-rss/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/want-my-rss/
- smush 7y ago
  > Also why would you use Waterfox. It's like Firefox ESR, with a few changed settings and much slower security updates. Waterfox preserves Live Bookmarks, doesn't do telemetry, was unaffected by expired certificate killing all addons (my FF mobile was affected so I basically had no mobile browser for a few days), among other reasons. I know after a while I will be forced back to Chromified Firefox when development of Waterfox comes to an end, but at least for now, I can stretch out the moment of a non-Googly browser + Live Bookmarks a few more months or years like whats-her-name in Doctor Strange.
notriddle 7y ago
But did technie users employ live bookmarks? I love RSS, but I prefer to use readers that keep track of what I've read, mix more than one feed into the same chronological list, and have better presentation than a freaking drop-down menu.
- smush 7y ago
  I've used them continuously since 2005. The dropdown menu is just fine to answer the question 'has Twin Dragons webcomic added another post yet'? or 'whats new in the liliputing.com world'? without any context swaps to -> open a new program on desktop or phone and scroll through a (granted, owned by you, not FB) newsfeed for an hour.
andrewshadura 7y ago
Why would I want to turn off the telemetry?

by smush 7y ago

spiderfarmer 7y ago

That’s one of the reasons I have Telemetry turned on. Just to show what I am using, so there’s less reasons to remove something.

choward 7y ago
Do you think that's what telemetry is actually used for?
- apetresc 7y ago
  ...yes?

orf 7y ago

Nobody did use them though. They belong in an extension, it's the perfect use case. Pick any of the hundreds. Like this great one: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/awesome-rss/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/awesome-rss/ Also why would you use Waterfox. It's like Firefox ESR, with a few changed settings and much slower security updates.

hobs 7y ago
Why - they work fine, they dont change, they dont add a burden to the existing product? Taking something that works out of your product doesnt ever make people happy, and its never "the perfect use case" to remove features that work. Its a "well that's ok that we wont take this on anymore and let those users manage their own problem" use case.
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago
  > they dont add a burden to the existing product? Of course scope creep adds a burden. It's one more thing Mozilla developers have to tend to.
- orf 7y ago
  > they dont add a burden to the existing product? I assume you work in tech, maybe even as a developer. So you know full well that every single unused line of code, let alone an entire feature, adds a maintenance, security, documentation and testing burden. > and its never "the perfect use case" to remove features that work. It absolutely is, if it makes those features better and gives them a focused place to develop outside of the core browser. If you're so upset about it literally go and press one big blue "Add to firefox" button and have all the previous features, and more, back in under 10 seconds.
  - jolmg 7y ago
    Yet Pocket is a core part of Firefox instead of an extension.
    - munk-a 7y ago
      And many times have I thought that Pocket should also be in an extension and wondered why Mozilla is taking on the first party responsibility for it - maybe they get some partnership money?
      - mkl 7y ago
        Mozilla owns Pocket.
        gregknicholson 7y ago
        And yet the server-side part is still closed-source. Mozilla's manifesto is just marketing now — it's obvious they don't really believe it any more.
rsscircus 7y ago
Want My RSS is also a pretty good Firefox extension to detect, display and subscribe to RSS feeds https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/want-my-rss/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/want-my-rss/
smush 7y ago
> Also why would you use Waterfox. It's like Firefox ESR, with a few changed settings and much slower security updates. Waterfox preserves Live Bookmarks, doesn't do telemetry, was unaffected by expired certificate killing all addons (my FF mobile was affected so I basically had no mobile browser for a few days), among other reasons. I know after a while I will be forced back to Chromified Firefox when development of Waterfox comes to an end, but at least for now, I can stretch out the moment of a non-Googly browser + Live Bookmarks a few more months or years like whats-her-name in Doctor Strange.

notriddle 7y ago

But did technie users employ live bookmarks? I love RSS, but I prefer to use readers that keep track of what I've read, mix more than one feed into the same chronological list, and have better presentation than a freaking drop-down menu.

smush 7y ago
I've used them continuously since 2005. The dropdown menu is just fine to answer the question 'has Twin Dragons webcomic added another post yet'? or 'whats new in the liliputing.com world'? without any context swaps to -> open a new program on desktop or phone and scroll through a (granted, owned by you, not FB) newsfeed for an hour.

andrewshadura 7y ago

Why would I want to turn off the telemetry?