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I've seen a lot of people say stuff like this, but it's kinda gross. If you want to criticize things someone has said about their diet and health practices, tha

I've seen a lot of people say stuff like this, but it's kinda gross. If you want to criticize things someone has said about their diet and health practices, that's fine (and hopefully, you'll cite sources for why they're wrong), but if you're going to make it about how they look, and make your own diagnosis about their health, that's not really OK. You don't know anything about the guy's health. He may actually be sick, wholly unrelated to his diet. He could be dealing with an eating disorder (which may be related to his diet, but millions of people have fasted regularly without having an eating disorder...there are lots of ways people cover for eating disorders). And, maybe he's in great health and your beliefs about what "healthy" looks like are wrong ("put some meat on your bones" is not great health advice for most people, but it's a common refrain). I don't really know anything about what he's said about diet or fasting. But, I know that bringing his appearance and health into it are not shedding light on the subject, they're just conflating appearance with health and well-being in ways that aren't useful.

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core-questions 7y ago
> that's not really OK. This kind of word policing is even less OK. It's not "gross" to make a comment about something you see and have opinions about, especially for a public figure. You're not shedding light on any subject, either, all you're doing is being offended-on-behalf of someone else; the world's got enough of that and it doesn't seem to be making any positive difference at all.
- SwellJoe 7y ago
  The comment I responded to did not add substantively to the discussion, and I pointed out why. I am not "policing" anything. I have no power to arrest someone or censor someone for being an asshole online. I expressed an opinion about the kind of community I'd like to be a part of. Also, it seems like you're doing what you're criticizing me for. I don't think the world's got enough of minding one's own damned business regarding people's health, body, and appearance, and that having more of it would make a positive difference. This conversation is about the science of fasting, not whether Jack Dorsey looks thin.
  - core-questions 7y ago
    > Also, it seems like you're doing what you're criticizing me for. Sure, but only in a meta-sense to curb the proliferation of the technique. I'd liken it to nuking would-be nuclear powers to prevent further problems. And maybe, _just maybe_, Jack Dorsey should eat a sandwich.
    - SwellJoe 7y ago
      > I'd liken it to nuking would-be nuclear powers to prevent further problems. So, when you wrote this, did the idea of using nuclear weapons preemptively seem like an obviously good idea, to you?
  - nathanasmith 7y ago
    > Also, it seems like you're doing what you're criticizing me for. There is a fascinating wikipedia article about this you should skim when you get the chance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

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core-questions 7y ago

> that's not really OK. This kind of word policing is even less OK. It's not "gross" to make a comment about something you see and have opinions about, especially for a public figure. You're not shedding light on any subject, either, all you're doing is being offended-on-behalf of someone else; the world's got enough of that and it doesn't seem to be making any positive difference at all.

SwellJoe 7y ago
The comment I responded to did not add substantively to the discussion, and I pointed out why. I am not "policing" anything. I have no power to arrest someone or censor someone for being an asshole online. I expressed an opinion about the kind of community I'd like to be a part of. Also, it seems like you're doing what you're criticizing me for. I don't think the world's got enough of minding one's own damned business regarding people's health, body, and appearance, and that having more of it would make a positive difference. This conversation is about the science of fasting, not whether Jack Dorsey looks thin.
- core-questions 7y ago
  > Also, it seems like you're doing what you're criticizing me for. Sure, but only in a meta-sense to curb the proliferation of the technique. I'd liken it to nuking would-be nuclear powers to prevent further problems. And maybe, _just maybe_, Jack Dorsey should eat a sandwich.
  - SwellJoe 7y ago
    > I'd liken it to nuking would-be nuclear powers to prevent further problems. So, when you wrote this, did the idea of using nuclear weapons preemptively seem like an obviously good idea, to you?
- nathanasmith 7y ago
  > Also, it seems like you're doing what you're criticizing me for. There is a fascinating wikipedia article about this you should skim when you get the chance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque